Kelsey Grammer blew 6 figures investing in windmills

[R.P. McMurphy]

since the beginning, very bright people have been trying to make a good battery for an electric car. it still hasn't happened. someday someone will stumble on something. someday but not today.

the green people never discuss what it takes to actually make something that they call green. it would, um, confuse the issue.

...check out the white zombie car. this guy has a battery that dosent fit what youre saying.

http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/

you might know these guys, general motors. they had a battery that worked too good over 20 years ago. collected all the leased cars and crushed them even tho the leaseors wanted to buy them.



never say never. think of all the things on star trek that 'couldnt be done'.

[sstressed]

...actually there are generators that are under water and not obstructing any views but theres argument that the generators/turbines maybe are going to fuck up the fish. i can see that. theres a big windfarm on the altamont pass in the bay area of san francisco. its been there generating power since the 80s.

yeah i remember reading about all the birds that get cut into mcnuggets there. lots of protests from the same people who hailed it earlier.

unintended consequences.
some people try to consider what if.
others yell at them for being negative.

we're doomed.

[R.P. McMurphy]

yeah i remember reading about all the birds that get cut into mcnuggets there. lots of protests from the same people who hailed it earlier.

unintended consequences.
some people try to consider what if.
others yell at them for being negative.

we're doomed.

...we're not even trying. look at all the fucking power lines strung up on poles! europe laughs at us. fucking telephone poles scattered all around with wire hanging on them because we "cant" put them underground. theres just no excuse for that.

[sstressed]

...check out the white zombie car. this guy has a battery that dosent fit what youre saying.

http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/

you might know these guys, general motors. they had a battery that worked too good over 20 years ago. collected all the leased cars and crushed them even tho the leaseors wanted to buy them.



never say never. think of all the things on star trek that 'couldnt be done'.

yeah i've heard about the magic batteries that big business tries to hide. i haven't checked into it for years but i always thought it was mostly bullshit. i'll check it out as i'm a bit curious now.

kind in mind that the ideal star trek earth happened for one reason, aliens.


in a controlled environment, rats will breed until there is little space and not enough food. they will then attack each other in very uncharacteristic ways.

we're not as bright as we think.

[lilbuddy67]

i laugh at stuff like this.

i worked for the gubment writing environmental related contracts. mostly contracting to clean up differnt places.

i spent a ton of time researching all kinds of alternate energy, green products, green contractors etc., and kept coming to the same conclusion. it's just not there yet. at the time, it cost more in energy to produce a windmill than the windwill would return in energy over it's projected lifetime.

there are a lot of people who say damn the price, go all out for solar, wind, geo. the elec bills would be crazy but they don't care. hopefully there is a magic source that will be discovered soon. oil and coal are dirty but they fuel our nice comfy lives. without them, we're fucked.

The sun has about another 4 billion years of energy. Of course, oil runs the world so as conspiracy-like as it sounds, Big Oil is bribing, blackmailing , sabotaging, and probably killing, their way to remain in control of us for a loooong time to come.

[HS Cult Leader]

This is an interesting clip from Canada about the billions spent on turbines and their lack of productivity and their uselessness due to auto shutdown if the wind is any stronger then a stiff breeze:

[rilagent]

God forbid we follow France's lead on anything in this country. The moment they hear "French," they get all jingoistic.

You think that silly sawhorse is the roadblock in our path in going nuclear?

[rilagent]

The sun has about another 4 billion years of energy. Of course, oil runs the world so as conspiracy-like as it sounds, Big Oil is bribing, blackmailing , sabotaging, and probably killing, their way to remain in control of us for a loooong time to come.

Big oil is probably doing what it can to maintain it's position but not over oil, over energy. They're energy companies. If they can deliver it to us via algae farms, or vast sawgrass fields they plant in the marginal lands of the South West or Wind Farms or massive solar collectors and maintain that profit margin they'll do it.

Do you think any company wants to do business in the Middle East or a corrupt Russian Oligarch if they didn't have to?

[sstressed]

This is an interesting clip from Canada about the billions spent on turbines and their lack of productivity and their uselessness due to auto shutdown if the wind is any stronger then a stiff breeze:

too funny.

i've been in some pretty funny meetings. whenever someone mentions that this big, shiny green thing might not work as planned, they get yelled at by touchy feely cunts. when the shit blows up like they said it might, the touchy feely cunts are no where to be found. you see they have wandered on to yet another project that won't work. it makes them feel sooooo good to be green. they will glady piss all the money they can squeeze out and proudly proclaim how great they are.

the epa is full of them.

[SouthernListen]

I know a guy who blew about 10 figures on windmills.

[R.P. McMurphy]

...please people come to the light

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

I just saw a story about a town that had a huge wind unit installed some years ago, and now the town is going through a huge expense to remove it because people are insisting that it's making them sick.

How?

[stripes]

i like that there are people who will are strong proponents of alternate energy. right up until it fucks up their view of the ocean.

i believe they're called douchebags.

no, they're called kennedys

[lilbuddy67]

Do you think any company wants to do business in the Middle East or a corrupt Russian Oligarch if they didn't have to?

Of course not. That seems to be obvious, but why are we STILL under OPEC's thumb?

[sstressed]

How?

i think it has to do with the sound they make. some frequencies mess people up. at least that's what they say.

one or 2 i'd say they were nuts. it's more than that.

again, unintended consequenses. sounds good on paper, then something comes out of left field.

it sucks but nuke is our best alternative at this time. we can store the waste in our basements.

[King Chris]

Solar should be included on every new home built in the southwest with the price just added to the mortgage. Link them all into the grid and it will pay for itself in time. But that will never happen.

[sstressed]

Solar should be included on every new home built in the southwest with the price just added to the mortgage. Link them all into the grid and it will pay for itself in time. But that will never happen.

some local gubments in arizona offer incentives to use solar power. i have a friend who had his house done a few years ago. i'll have to ask him what he thinks about it and if he is saving money. it cost him quite a bit even with the gubment incentives.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

kind in mind that the ideal star trek earth happened for one reason, aliens.

Hey, don't forget about Zefram Cochrane! But yeah, those stick-up-their-asses Vulcans got us up to speed with the whole space travel thing.

[HS Cult Leader]

How?

Cape Cod community considers taking down wind turbines after illness, noise

By Molly Line
Published February 26, 2013



Two wind turbines towering above the Cape Cod community of Falmouth, Mass., were intended to produce green energy and savings -- but they've created angst and division, and may now be removed at a high cost as neighbors complain of noise and illness.
"It gets to be jet-engine loud," said Falmouth resident Neil Andersen. He and his wife Betsy live just a quarter mile from one of the turbines. They say the impact on their health has been devastating. They're suffering headaches, dizziness and sleep deprivation and often seek to escape the property where they've lived for more than 20 years.
"Every time the blade has a downward motion it gives off a tremendous energy, gives off a pulse," said Andersen. "And that pulse, it gets into your tubular organs, chest cavity, mimics a heartbeat, gives you headaches. It's extremely disturbing and it gets to the point where you have to leave."
The first turbine went up in 2010 and by the time both were in place on the industrial site of the town's water treatment facility, the price was $10 million. Town officials say taking them down will cost an estimated $5 million to $15 million, but that is just what Falmouth's five selectmen have decided to move toward doing.
"The selectmen unanimously voted to remove them. We think it's the right thing to do, absolutely," Selectman David Braga said. "You can't put a monetary value on people's health and that's what's happened here. A lot of people are sick because of these."
Now the matter will go to a town meeting vote in April and could ultimately end up on the ballot during the municipal elections in May.
"It's highly likely that what the voters will be determining is are they willing to tax themselves at an appropriate amount to cover the cost and dismantle and shut down the turbines?" Falmouth Town Manager Julian Suso said.
In the meantime, the turbines are being run on a limited schedule as the selectmen respond to the concerns of nearby neighbors. The turbines only run during the day -- from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. -- which means they're operating at a loss.
The dispute has been a bitter three-year battle in the seaside town where officials argue the project was thoroughly vetted, researched and put to public vote multiple times.
"To say 'let's let the voters decide' -- it sort of flies in the face of what we went through all these years," said Megan Amsler of the Falmouth Energy Committee.
"We never tell somebody 'hey, you're going to have to take that coal plant down or you're going to have to stop mining the mountain tops.' These are very visible and a lot of other ways that we get our energy are invisible to the average American," Amsler argued. "People don't even know how much energy they consume on a yearly basis so I think it's good for people to be able to see where their energy comes from and know that it's coming from a clean source."
"I think if we end up taking these turbines down it will be a shame. It will be an embarrassment for the Town of Falmouth," said Amsler.
Town leaders say the state bears some monetary responsibility for the situation because Falmouth was granted renewable energy credits and received advice from state level energy officials through an ongoing partnership.
"They certainly have been involved and have a tremendous stake in this process," said Assistant Town Manager Heather Harper. Harper said the Mass Clean Energy Center "provided the technical assistance to conduct all of the feasibility studies."
"I feel the state is responsible because they were really pushing for more wind power which, believe me, the whole board of selectmen are supportive of renewable energy. I am. Maybe wind, but not in this location," said Braga.
Ultimately, town leaders are hoping the controversy will be resolved and the community will find a way to move forward together.
"It's imperative to the community that we do have a coming together and a healing and find a resolution one way or the other," said Suso. His advice to communities considering a similar project to the one causing strife in Falmouth is "move cautiously, communicate well, have extreme public dialogue and listen well."

[R.P. McMurphy]

Solar should be included on every new home built in the southwest with the price just added to the mortgage. Link them all into the grid and it will pay for itself in time. But that will never happen.

...i had a solar hot water heater in a house back in 1990 and i loved it. now a days you dont really need sunshine to get energy from solar just the uv so im told. like stress friend honda im pretty sure is offering home solar, installed with incentives. dont have to buy a new honda its an area theyre branching out into.