The Catholics elect yet another fine specimen of health, vigor, & vitality

[MatthewT]

The Catholics have a reading from the gospel, the old testament, and I think the epistle in each mass. I think that is right. they celebrate the commmunion, which celebrates the last supper and the lessons from Jesus. I don't understand. Are you saying that church should be sitting there the whole time and reading bible passages? I think that is fundamentalism, not Christianity. There is a difference I think

huge difference

catholics fed christians to the lions

christians were fed by the catholics to the lions

[MatthewT]

you are saying two separate things here. First, doom and gloom? What's that have to do with catholic mass? Are you saying that the sermons you have experienced at mass are doom and gloom? I actually find those sort of sermons to be more associated with fundamentalist churches.

In terms of boredom, well that's like your opinion man. I don't see how the fact that mass is boring to you makes Catholicism any less christian.

Matt talked about Martin Luther. Papal infallability is a fucking joke and produces absurd results, like the immaculate conception. but I think that you have to still say they are Christians.

if papal infallability is a joke, why does it still exist?
the immaculate conception is absurd? when it is true? and in the bible?
or the immaculate conception of MARY is absurd, when it is false, and contradicts the bible?

[O Face]

if papal infallability is a joke, why does it still exist?
the immaculate conception is absurd? when it is true? and in the bible?
or the immaculate conception of MARY is absurd, when it is false, and contradicts the bible?

yeah the immaculate conception is Mary, not the virgin birth of Christ.

so you are saying that the holy roman empire is the same thing as Catholicism? I don''t understand this fed to lions logic. Catholics beleive Christ is the son of god and died for our sins. I'm sorry, but I think that pretty much makes them Christians. Whether you agree with the religion is a different matter. I agree that papal infallibility is a waste. You ask why does it exist -- I don't know. It's probably the main reason I'm no longer catholic.

[MatthewT]

who do they trust to get them into heaven? Jesus? or the Church?

it's pretty easy to make the distinction, isn't it? i mean, what man-made group of people could literally take the dead up into heaven?

[sarnie]

god bless the mass brain washing natzis

[2Manboobs]

you are saying two separate things here. First, doom and gloom? What's that have to do with catholic mass? Are you saying that the sermons you have experienced at mass are doom and gloom? I actually find those sort of sermons to be more associated with fundamentalist churches.

In terms of boredom, well that's like your opinion man. I don't see how the fact that mass is boring to you makes Catholicism any less christian.

Matt talked about Martin Luther. Papal infallability is a fucking joke and produces absurd results, like the immaculate conception. but I think that you have to still say they are Christians.

Doom & Gloom meaning "If you don't do what we're telling you to do (In the name of the Bible), then you're gonna spend eternity burning in Hell "... ..No one here can really wrap their brain around "eternity"..Nor, can they wrap their brain around suffering for an eternity..... People here on Earth can't even stop shoveling booze, drugs, & unhealthy foods into their mouths, and the end result of that IS tangible because they CAN see the end result of that all around them..... Yes, they do need to be aware of what will happen if you reject Christ.... But, beyond that, constantly threatening them that they're gonna burn in Hell if they don't "repent" and live the Christian way, is meaningless...... What they should be doing a lot more of is teaching what a relationship with Christ can do for you while you're living & breathing here on Earth.. That IS discussed quite a bit in the Bible, yet the Catholic church tends to ignore that.. choosing to place an abundance of their focus on the Doom & Gloom aspect...

[MatthewT]

you know they not only said mary was born of a virgin, sinless, but never had sex, right? even though Jesus had brothers and sisters?

[MatthewT]

Doom & Gloom meaning "If you don't do what we're telling you to do (In the name of the Bible), then you're gonna spend eternity burning in Hell "... ..No one here can really wrap their brain around "eternity"..Nor, can they wrap their brain around suffering for an eternity..... People here on Earth can't even stop shoveling booze, drugs, & unhealthy foods into their mouths, and the end result of that IS tangible because they CAN see the end result of that all around them..... Yes, they do need to be aware of what will happen if you reject Christ.... But, beyond that, constantly threatening them that they're gonna burn in Hell if they don't "repent" and live the Christian way, is meaningless...... What they should be doing a lot more of is teaching what a relationship with Christ can do for you while you're living & breathing here on Earth.. That IS discussed quite a bit in the Bible, yet the Catholic church tends to ignore that.. choosing to place an abundance of their focus on the Doom & Gloom aspect...

eternity is a state of being where it is always NOW

[2Manboobs]

who do they trust to get them into heaven? Jesus? or the Church?

it's pretty easy to make the distinction, isn't it? i mean, what man-made group of people could literally take the dead up into heaven?

Well, in reality, its ALL intangible.... Jesus, the person, may have indeed been alive many centuries ago, but his life to us today is intangible... So, in reality, we're investing all of our trust in this particular "Book", and its accounting of history...

[Markijuano]

man, the catholics here are completely fooled into thinking they're christians

does nobody remember that it was the romans who not only condemned Jesus to death, but also fed millions of christians to the lions?

And were the only people besides the Jews that Christ specifically asked that God forgive. So once again save your vitriol, try walking the walk of what you proclaim but are a poor example of, and stuff that protestant crap.

[Markijuano]

huge difference

catholics fed christians to the lions

christians were fed by the catholics to the lions

Whah!

[MatthewT]

it's like people can't remember anything beyond their own birth

10 emperors persecuted the early church; killed millions of christians. then one pontifus maximus says "we christian now" and everybody forgets

[Suzy]

who do they trust to get them into heaven? Jesus? or the Church?

it's pretty easy to make the distinction, isn't it? i mean, what man-made group of people could literally take the dead up into heaven?

This may be where you're mistaken or have been mislead. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. I'd say we trust Jesus to get us into Heaven.
Man made group of people? you don't believe that Jesus was both human and devine? I'd say any follower of Jesus is part of a man-made group of people, MattyT.

[2Manboobs]

eternity is a state of being where it is always NOW

But, that's just a bunch of fluff that 99% of the human race cannot identify with... That's something that has always driven me nuts during Church services, & with the people that attend... They all start speaking in a vernacular that no one uses today... Using words & phrases that make it appear (to the outside laymen) that there's some new secret language that you need to speak when you become Christian .... If you're gonna reach people who are on the fence with Christianity, then they (Christians) need to talk a language that people know & understand.. Without all the Old Word euphemisms & phrases that are no longer used in modern vernacular... (I.E - Making a "Joyful Noise" only means 'singing' to those who are entrenched in the Church lifestyle)...

[O Face]

it's like people can't remember anything beyond their own birth

10 emperors persecuted the early church; killed millions of christians. then one pontifus maximus says "we christian now" and everybody forgets

it's like you are saying that present day catholics are the same as romans from early BC? Is this your point? I'm really not following it.

[Suzy]

it's like you are saying that present day catholics are the same as romans from early BC? Is this your point? I'm really not following it.

Because you're not a closed minded fundamentalist.

[MatthewT]

This may be where you're mistaken or have been mislead. "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6. I'd say we trust Jesus to get us into Heaven.
Man made group of people? you don't believe that Jesus was both human and devine? I'd say any follower of Jesus is part of a man-made group of people, MattyT.

constantine = man =/= christian

you're sanitizing the history, and the current, catholic church. stop it.

[MatthewT]

it's like you are saying that present day catholics are the same as romans from early BC? Is this your point? I'm really not following it.

i'm saying the catholic church today is the same catholic church that killed millions of christians, jews, and other fine folks, all in their quest for temporal power and riches.

please tell me you've noticed the vatican is its own state, with diplomats, et al., and you've heard something about the popes crowning the kinds of yesteryear.

then look around the vatican. notice the trillions of dollars. then look at most catholics. notice they're starving to death.

all religions are man-made; the only salvation is God reaching down to man, and by His grace, saving all who believe.

not all who get baptized as babies into the roman catholic church; not all who attend mass; have communion; go to confessional; pay for indulgences; have last rights; get married in the church, etc.

the institution worships things other than God. get out.

[Markijuano]

Go blow King Edward and King James then help yourself to true Christianity.

[MatthewT]

for more reading, read The Prophecy of the Popes, or even The Woman Rides The Beast.

if you're saying you know some nice catholics, so what? there's nice mormons too. in fact, if one were to pick a religion based on niceness, it would likely be mormonism.