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    Quote Originally Posted by fenderbaum View Post
    Take NASA as an example, we do not have a ride into space without hitching a ride from the russians and the chinese.
    ya, space program is embarrasskin. only third world countries dont have space programs. wanna lead the world in science & engineering, excite new students into that field, space program bitches. national pride. but instead our dollars are dedicated to the lowest common denominator with no forward thinking or investment. we're america, we explore new frontiers, thats what we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaFlaFlunkie View Post
    Great. So you support marriage equality then, right? Lots of gay couples are raising children. Shouldn't they have the same help as straight couples raising a family? That includes military death benefits too.
    Absolutely I do. Marriage is not my thing, but that does not mean that a gay/lesbian couple should be excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddle View Post
    How about no?

    Why don't we just have benevolent government overseers check up on us and make sure we're raising our children to their standards?
    Your point is taken but it could've been worded a little less bitchily. How do you propose we make sure gun owners are securing their firearms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    ya, space program is embarrasskin. only third world countries dont have space programs. wanna lead the world in science & engineering, excite new students into that field, space program bitches. national pride. but instead our dollars are dedicated to the lowest common denominator with no forward thinking or investment. we're america, we explore new frontiers, thats what we do.

    Well said, and it is an indicator. When have you ever remembered NASA be so dormant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddle View Post
    Wait, you mean banning something doesn't stop the problem?
    Regulation means checking to make sure those laws are adhered to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avery View Post
    I think poland spring has those caps that are half the usual size. Reducing their use of plastic, saving the planet a little at a time.
    yeah, but those caps increase my aggravation when they don't close correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenderbaum View Post
    Alright my friends, I have some work to get done. I like these conversations, there is no clear cut answer that will make everyone happy, but we need to start to look at what worked back when and apply those principals today.
    I appreciate the debate. Most people are not that far apart in the ultimate goals they have for the country, we differ in the paths to reach the goals. Everyone should feel that they have a chance to share the American dream. Everyone should understand that they will need to work hard to achieve the dream. The consequence of not working hard is that you won't be rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaFlaFlunkie View Post
    Great. So you support marriage equality then, right? Lots of gay couples are raising children. Shouldn't they have the same help as straight couples raising a family? That includes military death benefits too.
    gays & lesbos should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us. you homos wont be so "gay" after a few years of marraige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormCloud View Post
    I appreciate the debate. Most people are not that far apart in the ultimate goals they have for the country, we differ in the paths to reach the goals. Everyone should feel that they have a chance to share the American dream. Everyone should understand that they will need to work hard to achieve the dream. The consequence of not working hard is that you won't be rich.
    Very well put, and possibly the best post of the evening. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaFlaFlunkie View Post
    Your point is taken but it could've been worded a little less bitchily. How do you propose we make sure gun owners are securing their firearms?
    There is already a law, at least in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stripes View Post
    gays & lesbos should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us. you homos wont be so "gay" after a few years of marraige.
    Aw, shucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenderbaum View Post
    She went on a trip but I do not know to where.
    I went to Gay Paree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlaw View Post
    insure domestic Tranquility,... promote the general Welfare
    You left out, "provide for the common defense," BubbleNose
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg View Post

    Mlaw, as long as I live I will never understand how you passed the bar. You are dumber than a fucking rock. I bet you fucking cheated your way through school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHP View Post
    You left out, "provide for the common defense," BubbleNose
    Let's just finish the preamble: "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare (and hands), secure the blessings of liberty, for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution, FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."

    These are ideals enumerated by the people, for the people, not the executive branch, exclusively.

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