Navy Seal sniper shot dead at Texas gun range.

[922Wine]

Probably worth noting that the phrase PTSD is being thrown around like Aspergers and mildly autistic. That's so just about anyone can be diagnosed with "mental illness".

Not "anyone." It's only used for white guys. If he was a black/Hispanic/Muslim guy, I doubt the media would use "mental illness" as an excuse.

[ohmicah]

Not "anyone." It's only used for white guys. If he was a black/Hispanic/Muslim guy, I doubt the media would use "mental illness" as an excuse.

You're right. I should have been more clear. I thought the war against the non-gay white man was common knowledge and always implied.

[Kamie]

Not "anyone." It's only used for white guys. If he was a black/Hispanic/Muslim guy, I doubt the media would use "mental illness" as an excuse.

What? My husband works with a hispanic guy who has PTSD.

If this has been addressed earlier in the thread, I apologize, but this is sad. Evidently the two guys that were killed were trying to help the killer through his PTSD
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130203/DA47ETC00.html

"What I know is Chris and a gentleman - great guy, I knew him well, Chad Littlefield - took a veteran out shooting who was struggling with PTSD to try to assist him, try to help him, try to, you know, give him a helping hand and he turned the gun on both of them, killing them," Cox said. A knock on the door at Routh's last known address went unanswered Sunday. A for-sale sign was in front of the small, wood-framed home.


Kyle's nonprofit, FITCO Cares, provides at-home fitness equipment for emotionally and physically wounded veterans.
"Chris was literally the type of guy if you were a veteran and needed help he'd help you," Cox said.
Cox described Littlefield as a gentle, kind-hearted man who often called or emailed him with ideas for events or fundraisers to help veterans. He said he was married and had children. "It was just two great guys with Chad and Chris trying to help out a veteran in need and making time out of their day to help him. And to give him a hand. And unfortunately this thing happened," Cox said. Bryant seemed to confirm that scenario. The sheriff said Routh's mother "may have reached out to Mr. Kyle to try to help her son." "We kind of have an idea that maybe that's why they were at the range for some type of therapy that Mr. Kyle assists people with. And I don't know if it's called shooting therapy, I don't have any idea," Bryant said.


Lt. Cmdr. Rorke Denver, who served with Kyle on SEAL Team 3 in Iraq in 2006, called Kyle a champion of the modern battlefield. Denver wasn't surprised that Kyle apparently used a shooting range to help someone with PTSD.
"For us, for warriors, that's a skill set that has become very familiar, very comfortable for us," said Denver, a lieutenant commander in a reserve SEAL team. His book "Damn Few," about training SEALs, will be released this month. "So I actually see it as kind of a perfect use of Chris' unique skill set and expertise of which he has very few peers."
Craft International, Kyle's security training company, had scheduled a $2,950-per-person civilian training event at Rough Creek Lodge called the "Rough Creek Shoot Out!" for March 1-3. The price included lodging, meals and shooting instruction. Kyle was scheduled to teach the first class, called "precision rifle."

Kyle is survived by his wife, Taya, and their two children, Cox said.

[922Wine]

What? My husband works with a hispanic guy who has PTSD.

I just meant that whenever some white guy goes on a shooting rampage (Aurora/AZ/Newtown, etc), the media always looks for a "medical" excuse for why they do it, as opposed to them just being animals. If some minority does it, they're "savages."

If this has been addressed earlier in the thread, I apologize, but this is sad. Evidently the two guys that were killed were trying to help the killer through his PTSD
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130203/DA47ETC00.html

Holy Shit. That's awful.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

I just meant that whenever some white guy goes on a shooting rampage (Aurora/AZ/Newtown, etc), the media always looks for a "medical" excuse for why they do it, as opposed to them just being animals. If some minority does it, they're "savages."

Them there's fightin' words on this site.

[922Wine]

Them there's fightin' words on this site.

Well I'll be sure to crack my knuckles and put on my carpal tunnel gloves. I'm prepared.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Well I'll be sure to crack my knuckles and put on my carpal tunnel gloves. I'm prepared.

Nerd on!

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

for any of you who subscribe to Sirius, there's an interview with Kyle on BBC right now. I don't know when the interview took place, so...

[Horny Toad]

Not endorsing this, but interesting nonetheless.

[Bosch76]

Not endorsing this, but interesting nonetheless.

Do you have the graphic of the 3,000,000 well known "2nd amendment" supporters who are not dead?

[Horny Toad]

Do you have the graphic of the 3,000,000 well known "2nd amendment" supporters who are not dead?

Just posting something I found on another site. I also said I wasn't endorsing it. No need to get your panties in a twist, sweet cheeks.

[MatthewT]

i know a dude from the 442. you'll never hear a peep out of him.

Kyle was killed the exact way Jesse James was killed, and for the same reason: shot in the back, and to be famous.

[hollywoodrose]

This was no murder. That's an assassination. A targeted killing. Wonder what excuse this killer will give for why he did it. This is yet another public SEAL member that's been killed this year. Most SEAL members don't disclose who they are publicly. You can see why. Dangerous occupation even when you retire.

Absolutely, very good pointing that out. These guys get involved with some very dangerous people, and I'm not talking about so called "insurgents", or whatever local group is standing between the government/CIA and the resources it wants to plunder. There were a group of Navy Seals back in late 2001 who were on a mission in Tora Bora at a location where bin laden was said to be near the Pakistani border. They were told not to move, and soon a unknown black helicopter flew in, touched down briefly and then flew across the border to Pakistan. Short time after they were sent home they were all found dead with their wives, under very odd and mysterious "murder-suicide" circumstances. A whole string of them all from the same squad. It was in the papers, but in a very small story hidden in the back.

[922Wine]

Not endorsing this, but interesting nonetheless.

What moron created this nonsense? OK, let's say it's some big conspiracy, it doesn't change the fact that the sniper had a fucking gun as did everyone around them, and he still got killed with a gun. Why did no one shoot the killer? Where were they?

The point is that even if you have a gun, unless you think like some paranoid schizophrenic 24/7, you will never see it coming. Sitting in a dark movie theater, you're not expecting someone to walk in shooting up the place. Your instincts are to take cover or run - even if you have a gun. You have no idea if a guy is acting alone or there are several people with him. And if everyone is armed, how the fuck do you know who's the one shooting if you're in a dark theater?

[Chimney Portions]

I just meant that whenever some white guy goes on a shooting rampage (Aurora/AZ/Newtown, etc), the media always looks for a "medical" excuse for why they do it, as opposed to them just being animals. If some minority does it, they're "savages."

But in fairness, the media's never talked about the supposed mental illness cause by American society, Black Rage, after a white guy shoots shit up either. I lived in NY at the time and "Black Rage" was a HUGE topic discussed by the media.

And there was plenty of talk about Lee Malvo's mental health after the Beltway Sniper shootings. And Sung-Hui Cho's after the Virginia Tech Massacre.

It's only natural that PTSD came out in the Kyle murder...it was introduced as part of the story before anybody even knew who the shooter was. McVeigh was a veteran in the first Gulf War and I don't remember anybody trying to use his service or status as a vet to try to explain away his behavior.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but out of all the premeditated mass shootings I can think of, only one (Ferguson) was committed by a Black man and his mental health absolutely was a focus of the media.