God/No God?

[Gitfiddle]

Like I say, to me it is logical and sensible that God exists. It is illogical and insensible that He doesn't

Exactly what kind of logic are you using here?

[GHP]

That's the only sensible conclusion I've been able to come to.... I don't necessarily know if the Bibles accounts & explanations are 100% conclusive...But, the general premise seems the most logical (to me) when compared to other religions/explanations

Sayin

[gwartney]

One of the ladies at work's brother had cancer surgery the other day. It was pretty major because it was in several of his organs. Anyway, she credited everyone's prayers as having caused his surgery to be successful.

That really pisses me off because my mother suffered the longest, most painful, worst kind of death imaginable and prayers didn't do a fucking thing for her.

[bobtraw]

There's a God but he doesn't play god that's why some people don't believe in God.

That's what I learned when we rented Immortals from the Redbox.

[zhukov]

Hip and thigh!

Your legs are God-like

Jesus would be like, "make dat bitch a disciple n shit"

[GHP]

I don't know. Nobody knows. But that doesn't automatically default to a divine explanation.

It is a logical and sensible explanation. It makes sense. You got something as logical or sensible?

Exactly what kind of logic are you using here?

Human

[Blackened]

Agnostics are pussies. They're too scared to be atheists, in the slim chance there is a God who will smite them.

not afraid to say that god doesn't exist. if you twisted my arm to choose theism, or atheism, I would have to choose atheism. Nobody knows what the truth is, which is the point of agnosticism. unknown and unknowable

[Mojopin]

Several months ago the Discovery Channel aired a television series featuring Stephen Hawking calledCuriosity. Whereas in his bookThe Grand Design Hawking claimed that God is not necessaryto explain the origin of the universe given the existence of physical laws such as gravity, inCuriosity he argued that Godcould not have created the universe because there was no time in which God could have done so:

"Do we need a God to set it all up so a Big Bang can bang? … Our everyday experience makes us convinced that everything that happens must be caused by something that occurred earlier in time. So it’s natural for us to assume that something—perhaps God—must have caused the universe to come into existence. But when we’re talking about the universe as a whole, that isn’t necessarily so.
…
The role played by time at the beginning of the universe is, I believe, the final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer, and revealing how the universe created itself. … Time itself must come to a stop [at the singularity]. You can’t get to a time before the big bang, because there was no time before the big bang. We have finally found something that does not have a cause because there was no time for a cause to exist in. For me this means there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything. … So when people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the Big Bang, so there is no time for God to make the universe in. It’s like asking for directions to the edge of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It does not have an edge, so looking for it is a futile exercise.”

Expressed in deductive form, Hawking’s core argument appears to be as follows:
(1) Causes must precede their effects in time
(2) There is no time prior to the beginning of time (the origin of the universe)
(3) Therefore, the universe cannot have a cause

By extension he argues:
(4) Theism requires that God be the cause of the universe
(5) The universe cannot have a cause
(6) Therefore, theism is false

[Gitfiddle]

The Ravens are in the Super Bowl because of God, according to Ray Lewis.

[GHP]

One of the ladies at work's brother had cancer surgery the other day. It was pretty major because it was in several of his organs. Anyway, she credited everyone's prayers as having caused his surgery to be successful.

That really pisses me off because my mother suffered the longest, most painful, worst kind of death imaginable and prayers didn't do a fucking thing for her.

Every life, no matter how wonderfully or horribly lived, will end.

This isn't about Christianity, but the existence of God

[zhukov]

One of the ladies at work's brother had cancer surgery the other day. It was pretty major because it was in several of his organs. Anyway, she credited everyone's prayers as having caused his surgery to be successful.

That really pisses me off because my mother suffered the longest, most painful, worst kind of death imaginable and prayers didn't do a fucking thing for her.

My in-laws were very religious

My father in law had heart surgery and was in ICU for several months

My mother in law prayed every day with him to get better

He croaked anyway at age 68

She wasn't the same after that

[Gitfiddle]

It is a logical and sensible explanation. It makes sense. You got something as logical or sensible?

Human

Logic?

[GHP]

not afraid to say that god doesn't exist. if you twisted my arm to choose theism, or atheism, I would have to choose atheism. Nobody knows what the truth is, which is the point of agnosticism. unknown and unknowable

Yet according to many, knowing isn't the point, but believing is

IOW, it's what you believe, not what you know

[bobtraw]

"I don't believe in God anymore because he didn't fulfill my wish" is a rather silly reason to not believe in God.

[This Fucker]

That's what I learned when we rented Immortals from the Redbox.

Immortals? I have to google that.

[GHP]

Logic?

So, no

[Mojopin]

The Ravens are in the Super Bowl because of God, according to Ray Lewis.

Did you ever notice that God only helps athletes that win.

[bobtraw]

Immortals? I have to google that.

It was not very good, but it was about the Greek gods and the characters kept bitching, "Why don't the gods intervene to fix everything?"

[gwartney]

"I don't believe in God anymore because he didn't fulfill my wish" is a rather silly reason to not believe in God.

I assume you are reacting to my post. That's not what I was saying at all.

[Gitfiddle]

So, no

You're saying that the universe exists so, logically, there must be a god. Right?