Teacher for 1 year... paid 13 years for nothing.

[SleepingWarrior]

One last thing I will say though... for all the negative things I've said about teachers I save the vast majority of my ire for those in the administrative sector of the profession. Those motherfuckers get paid even more and sometimes outnumber the teachers in a district.

[SouthernListen]

Hitler's ghost phoned. He says you're getting overexcited when you speak.

[chuk]

One last thing I will say though... for all the negative things I've said about teachers I save the vast majority of my ire for those in the administrative sector of the profession. Those motherfuckers get paid even more and sometimes outnumber the teachers in a district.

This.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

You might want to go back and re-read my posts. They say none of those things. As a matter of fact, they say mostly the opposite. Believe it or not, you and I are mostly in agreement.

No, bro, you most definitely took a hostile and offensive stance to azman's position.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

In my first post, I made a sarcastic post to counter the claim of "not being paid" to work on Sunday. Everyone knows that is the reality of teaching, and for someone to say that was as absurd as my comment. This is not some 9-5 secretarial job. This is a professional job (like mine). As such, there are certain expectations that come along with it. My point is, and always has been, that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of the argument. You have people on both extremes that are adding nothing of value, and in fact, distracting from the real issues (overcrowding, top heavy administration, tenure system, etc).

I don't think it's unreasonable for a person to get paid for the time they put into their job, equitably.

We disagree on what constitutes equity, though.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Teachers working "overtime" is a damn good thing because it helps make up for the ridiculous pensions the taxpayers are stuck paying for until the day you die once you retire at 55-60.

Out of curiosity, does anyone "deserve" a pension? or are you one of the people who think no one is entitled to a pension and everyone is supposed to know how to invest their money in a volatile stock market and other avenues in order to be able to retire at a reasonable age?

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

I forgot about that aspect, do they still do that for spouses?

Its high time public sector employees get an increase in immediate pay and do away with the antiquated pension system. Convert the pension shit to 401ks or make them save their money like normal people have to because its the pensions that are bankrupting the system.

spoke/posted too soon.

I thought so.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

And in terms of pay, yes, most teachers under account for the amount of benefits they receive. We opted for healthcare under my wife's plan, because it is so much cheaper than going through my company. The irony of it is, everyone in my company raves about how great our healthplan is. And it is, for the corporate world. But it pales in comparison to the teachers plan.

Probably because your company snowed everyone into thinking they were the greatest benefits in the world and that you should kiss the ground upon which they walk for offering you the pittance they give you while simultaneously raising your contributions into those benefits.

Same old story, same old dance. It's not that the teacher's benefits are so much better (even though they are); it's HOW they got those benefits: collective bargaining. So their employer couldn't/wouldn't give them more money in salary. They gave it to them in one of the other myriad ways in which money comes out of our take-home pay.

You're missing the entire point of how their benefits are attained.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Oh and BTW...the "great benefits" is a huge overstatement. I get healthcare as part of my salary. Our healthcare plan covers me and me alone...and I have a 100$ co-pay for any doctor visit. No dental, no vision. TONS of companies offer much better healthcare benefits AND pay a higher salary.

Christ that sucks.

You're making me rethink one of my previous posts about collective bargaining.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

"Work" doesn't include sitting at your desk watching your students do the busy work you assigned them AZ. Of those 65 minutes I'd bet dollars to donuts you spend maybe 20 minutes on average in front of the class "teaching". Probably less if you lean on audio/visual elements to do the heavy lifting for you like many Social Studies teachers do.

You don't think it's considered "work" to make sure that the little, snot-pickin' bastards aren't cheating or disrupting the class?

I'd be soooo fired in like 5 minutes. Thank GOD I don't have to deal with kids at my job. The adults are bad enough.

I don't think you're giving enough consideration to managing children the way a person at any other job has to manage adults.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Don't buy it for one fucking second. I have won the Nobel Prize for Physics....when it serves my point on an internet message board.

I am concerned that they let you around university students as you were clearly just there cruising for man ass. You are clearly a gay rapist....you know...based on your grammar.

Fucking retard!

Oh Christ. Someone stayed up too late last night.

[MyLazyHand]

Only 8 posts in a row before I ruined it.

[chuk]

No, bro, you most definitely took a hostile and offensive stance to azman's position.

I did? Can you tell me how?

[SouthernListen]

Those that can, do. Those that can't hire someone else to do it for them. Or get the government to force others to.

[HowieStearn]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/q...85C3E6mmIEiPTM



He worked just one year as a full-time teacher in New York. But he has collected nearly $1 million for 13 years for doing almost nothing.

Aryeh Eller, 46, a former music teacher at Hillcrest HS in Queens, is the longest-sitting “rubber room” teacher in the city. He was yanked from the classroom in 1999 and confessed to repeated sexual harassment of female students, according to a 2000 investigative report.

But a hearing officer who decides whether tenured teachers can be fired dismissed the case, ruling that Eller wasn’t told his rights. The DOE, considering him unfit for teaching, put him in a holding room for a decade.
A classical guitarist who performs in local concerts, Eller has seen his salary rise to $85,000 due to automatic longevity increases under the teachers’ contract.

Since his 1999 suspension, he has collected $943,000, plus health and pension benefits — and the total will hit $1 million this year....................




ATTN Robins News department.......

Unions suck. The teachers unions have ruined American schools, once ranked #1 in the world (in the 70's), now fallen to about 30th world-wide.

[aquadog]

Unions suck. The teachers unions have ruined American schools, once ranked #1 in the world (in the 70's), now fallen to about 30th world-wide.

I'm a teacher who would LOVE to get rid of unions. Bring it on! Observe me, rate me and give me a merit raise. I work my ass off but I can't say the same for everyone I work with. My union has never done one thing for me.

[racerx]

Those that can, do. Those that can't hire someone else to do it for them. Or get the government to force others to.

its not like they fail at a career so they go back to school for teaching. they usually start with that.
those that are smart hire someone else to do for them.

Unions suck. The teachers unions have ruined American schools, once ranked #1 in the world (in the 70's), now fallen to about 30th world-wide.

our education is vastly better than the 70s. i could have graduated and my grammar/spelling is at like a 3rd grade level.(spellcheck makes me not look retarded)
i got Cs & Ds in classes i never went to. i got Bs in classes i went to and never opened a book. that couldn't happen now.

anyone who wants to be successful, can be.
union teacher or no. that's silly

[chuk]

I'm a teacher who would LOVE to get rid of unions. Bring it on! Observe me, rate me and give me a merit raise. I work my ass off but I can't say the same for everyone I work with. My union has never done one thing for me.

Yup, my wife feels the same way. However, it becomes difficult to assess how well a teacher is doing. Do you base it on the students scores as many are proposing? Well, that can unfairly shift blame to the teacher, when the real problems are at home. Do you base it on the one or two observations? Peer review? I would think a decent principal should have a good idea on how each of their teachers are performing. Just like my boss does. Feedback from parents, colleagues, etc.