I don't like what Fox News has been doing lately

[MatthewT]

Then why does Fox News continually claim that the "media elites" got Obama elected?

Either the "left" media has no power, or is all powerful, which is it?

it's a combination of all of the network news, and all of the print media (save a few), and all of academia (save a few, a precious few), and the rest of the liberal cable news that was in the tank for obama.

i mean, we're how far out from sandy, and yet we still hear more about katrina. we're so far away from benghazi, and we hear more about WMD in iraq.

liberal lies, liberal lies; liberalism lies

[Bosch76]

it's a combination of all of the network news, and all of the print media (save a few), and all of academia (save a few, a precious few), and the rest of the liberal cable news that was in the tank for obama.

i mean, we're how far out from sandy, and yet we still hear more about katrina. we're so far away from benghazi, and we hear more about WMD in iraq.

liberal lies, liberal lies; liberalism lies

So which is it? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it to.

[I invented that]

Thank you for illustrating my point. I regret explaining what a "straw man" is because you immediately started wedging the term into every post you made for at least a month.

i just thought it was odd for you to throw out the definition of straw man when i nailed you for using the ploy previously

[MatthewT]

So which is it? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it to.

uh, no, the mainstream media has far more people than the cable news networks; Fox is the dominant cable news network because it saw a gaping hole in the market: non-liberal news.

i don't think that the people who run Fox think as i do; they're just good businessmen and have figured out a way to make money on the news.

unlike most liberal news organizations, which seem to run at a constant loss

[Bosch76]

uh, no, the mainstream media has far more people than the cable news networks; Fox is the dominant cable news network because it saw a gaping hole in the market: non-liberal news.

i don't think that the people who run Fox think as i do; they're just good businessmen and have figured out a way to make money on the news.

unlike most liberal news organizations, which seem to run at a constant loss

So the liberal networks have no viewers and run at a loss, but are so powerful they got Obama elected?

[MatthewT]

So the liberal networks have no viewers and run at a loss, but are so powerful they got Obama elected?

the union machine got obama elected; the media is their fifth column. they would not have put obama into office if he were a conservative republican.

get it? yet? get anything? yet?

[RiotGrip]

the union machine got obama elected; the media is their fifth column. they would not have put obama into office if he were a conservative republican.

get it? yet? get anything? yet?

Unions have about half the power and scope they had before Reagan was elected, and yet Conservatives still overrate and demonize them. Dude, as far as unions go, conservatives are kind of winning their waged war against them. Obama won because no one is buying what the republicans are selling. You complain that "47% of people don't pay any tax", but the solution to every problem is cutting taxes

[MatthewT]

Unions have about half the power and scope they had before Reagan was elected, and yet Conservatives still overrate and demonize them. Dude, as far as unions go, conservatives are kind of winning their waged war against them. Obama won because no one is buying what the republicans are selling. You complain that "47% of people don't pay any tax", but the solution to every problem is cutting taxes

you still don't get how romney was right.....

[MatthewT]

oh, by the way, if you cherrypick like 400,000 votes in the swing states, and change them from obama to romney, we would have inaugurated president romney last week.

400,000 votes. that's some mandate.

[RiotGrip]

you still don't get how romney was right.....

No, I'd be all for letting all the bush tax cuts expire.

oh, by the way, if you cherrypick like 400,000 votes in the swing states, and change them from obama to romney, we would have inaugurated president romney last week.

400,000 votes. that's some mandate.

Ok, the number is about 334,000 votes in 4 states, that's how the system works. In 2000 bush won by 535 votes in florida, and 2004 about 100,000 votes in ohio. Bush outright claimed a mandate in 2004, I guess Obama earned 3x the mandate bush did in 2004 and 700x the mandate he earned in 2000.

Also, that 334,000 votes represents more than 10% of Obama's margin of victory in the election so it isn't as insignificant as Breitbart and your other right wing sources have tried to.

[MatthewT]

wow, i was gonna up it to 500,000; out of 120,000,000, that's kind of small

[MatthewT]

i wonder why nobody is saying that obama stole the election

[Bosch76]

i wonder why nobody is saying that obama stole the election

You beloved right wing media does every fucking day.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/did-obama...2012-election/

[MatthewT]

You beloved right wing media does every fucking day.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/did-obama...2012-election/

fascinating article; there's like a thousand facts in it. do you dispute any of the facts, or just the conclusion?

Conclusion
So is vote fraud real? Yes. Did it occur in this election? Yes. Was it enough to steal the election? In reality, although no single instance or aspect of vote fraud was likely enough to tip the election for Obama, the aggregate of their corrupt activities – including illegal campaign donations, taking advantage of states without voter ID requirements, military ballots delivered too late, as well as the laundry list of elements identified in this report, may well have been.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/did-obama...rceIEpbvLy2.99

[Bro]

fascinating article; there's like a thousand facts in it. do you dispute any of the facts, or just the conclusion?

Conclusion
So is vote fraud real? Yes. Did it occur in this election? Yes. Was it enough to steal the election? In reality, although no single instance or aspect of vote fraud was likely enough to tip the election for Obama, We'll say it anyway. the aggregate of their corrupt activities – including illegal campaign donations, taking advantage of states without voter ID requirements, military ballots delivered too late, as well as the laundry list of elements identified in this report, may well have been.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/did-obama...rceIEpbvLy2.99

Republicans crying voter fraud is rich. Republicans were absolutely guilty of trying to suppress democratic voters.

[MatthewT]

yeah, 'cause felons and illegal aliens shouldn't be considered "voters"

[I invented that]

Republicans crying voter fraud is rich. Republicans were absolutely guilty of trying to suppress democratic voters.

a picture i.d. suppresses votes

[Lucky Pierre]

I just want to throw my hat in the ring here, and say that I'm a conservative of the William F. Buckley Jr. sort. I think these changes are good, and necessary. The fact is that the Republican party has not been an intellectually conservative party in a long time, it's been taken over by corporate social climbers and religious fanatics, and because Fox News didn't have the stones to take them on conservatism suffered.

I mostly get my news from The Weekly Standard and the The National Review, Fox News always came across like pro-wrestling to me. Chris Wallace is an exception, and I like Red Eye, but O'Reilly and a lot of the other anchors are just playing characters.Here's my point: any real conservative will tell you that Mitt Romney and John McCain are not and never were real conservatives. They were men who wanted to be president because they thought they deserved it due to their military career or financial standing. Because most reasonable candidates know they can't compete, the only candidates who rise up to challenge them are kooks. It makes the party look phony or full of wackjobs. It's really been 16 years since we had a true conservative candidate, in Bob Dole (I would call W. more of a populist than anything), and if Fox News will just get back to serious journalism of the type that Chris Wallace does, maybe we can actually get a decent candidate. The last election should have been a slam dunk, and only an un-intellectual, social climbing idiot like MItt Romney could have blown it.

I find this type of reply very disturbing.

I don't want to hear about Chris Wallace, Bob Dole, William F. Buckley...

There is way too much fun watching Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Dick Morris, Sean Hannity, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Donald Trump and the rest of the island of misfit halftards.

In all honesty, I'm not worried, the typical Jerry Springer/Wal-mart red state talk radio listener (see "I invented that" for reference) will continue to demand the usual Palin/Perry/Bachmann types to lead them.... no fucking way they're going to allow anyone to take away control of their party away from this class of geniuses.

[RiotGrip]

i wonder why nobody is saying that obama stole the election

probably because his victory was 700x greater than Bush's 2000 victory, and over 3x greater than bush's 2004 victory that earned him "a mandate" , and "political capital that he intended to use"

[I invented that]

probably because his victory was 700x greater than Bush's 2000 victory, and over 3x greater than bush's 2004 victory that earned him "a mandate" , and "political capital that he intended to use"

judging by his track record we're in for a rough ride.