hillary blames congress for security failures in benghazi.

[I invented that]

No, I'm saying it was not pulled out the ass of a govt. official. There were actual protests about it in the middle east and that is what lead to the faulty connection between the terrorist attack in benghazi, and the known protests over the anti-muslim video that went on outside our embassy in egypt.

[RiotGrip]

Oh I see, you never knew there were real protests over that video, and now you are posting a lame video instead of trying to refute the point. You bought into the right wing spin that to even suggest that the video had anything to do with it was a lie based on nothing. Another fact that totally was ignored by you.

[I invented that]

Oh I see, you never knew there were real protests over that video, and now you are posting a lame video instead of trying to refute the point. You bought into the right wing spin that to even suggest that the video had anything to do with it was a lie based on nothing. Another fact that totally was ignored by you.

so, you know for a fact, if that dopey video hadn't been uploaded this wouldn't have happened? you're so funny, why are you defending a fiasco? you're partisanship is showing.

[BeetTheBoxer]

typical spineless demoRats politicizing national security again

[Lucky Pierre]

The point isn't that they were wrong. It's that they seem to have made up the entire video controversy to save face. If there is no evidence that this was a protest about a video then what is the reason to blame it on that?

maybe you should ask the CIA, because Susan Rice was reading the early stages, still developing, CIA bullet points they gave her that mentioned the video

But again, why does it matter?

What the fuck does it matter that it took an extra day or two before they put the correct label ("terrorists" not "protestors") on which type of murdering, anti-American psycho Muslim this was?

Hillary asked 100% the right question. "AT THAT POINT (key words) what difference does it make? You have 4 dead Americans" she goes on to say how we have to find out who did it, how to prevent it, etc.

I ask again, at that point, why the fuck it is so important to have all this obvious fake outrage that the wrong label was temporarily put on this attack in the early stages? Obama himself called it a terrorist attack within 24 hours.

[RiotGrip]

so, you know for a fact, if that dopey video hadn't been uploaded this wouldn't have happened? you're so funny, why are you defending a fiasco? you're partisanship is showing.

What? I didn't say that, and I acknowledged that accusing the video for this was false. But there was actual intelligence that suggested the video had something to do with it--that intelligence was wrong. Your partisanship shows in that you just didn't realize the whole video storyline was based on anything--your side framed it as a complete lie put out to cover up "the real truth". Our intelligence failed before and after the attack--that is reasonable to investigate. The nonsensical accusations that the right threw out, many of which have been proven to be false, were unreasonable. In fact If the left had done something like this on any attack post 9-11 and pointed out intelligence failures of the Bush administration they would have been accused of "emboldening the terrorists"

Please don't post another reply trying to say I agree with "the video defense" it will either show your lame trolling efforts or your inability to grasp the reality of the situation. Real dialogue is welcome.

[Lucky Pierre]

What? I didn't say that, and I acknowledged that accusing the video for this was false. But there was actual intelligence that suggested the video had something to do with it--that intelligence was wrong. Your partisanship shows in that you just didn't realize the whole video storyline was based on anything--your side framed it as a complete lie put out to cover up "the real truth". Our intelligence failed before and after the attack--that is reasonable to investigate. The nonsensical accusations that the right threw out, many of which have been proven to be false, were unreasonable. In fact If the left had done something like this on any attack post 9-11 and pointed out intelligence failures of the Bush administration they would have been accused of "emboldening the terrorists"

Please don't post another reply trying to say I agree with "the video defense" it will either show your lame trolling efforts or your inability to grasp the reality of the situation. Real dialogue is welcome.

This entire discussion just blows my mind when you consider how 4,000+ Americans died after being mislead about WMD in Iraq, intelligence failures, so many missions mis-planned and botched and the countless failures about security warnings prior to 9/11 that lead to the deaths of 1,800+ Americans and these exact same people didn't so much as a say a WORD in outrage to question the government's role, demand accountability, demand people get fired, etc, etc.

This entire fiasco has 0.00 to do with dead Americans and 100% to do with Fox News/talk radio fake outrage, trying to score political points.

Makes me want to punch them in the face.

[I invented that]

What? I didn't say that, and I acknowledged that accusing the video for this was false. But there was actual intelligence that suggested the video had something to do with it--that intelligence was wrong. Your partisanship shows in that you just didn't realize the whole video storyline was based on anything--your side framed it as a complete lie put out to cover up "the real truth". Our intelligence failed before and after the attack--that is reasonable to investigate. The nonsensical accusations that the right threw out, many of which have been proven to be false, were unreasonable. In fact If the left had done something like this on any attack post 9-11 and pointed out intelligence failures of the Bush administration they would have been accused of "emboldening the terrorists"

Please don't post another reply trying to say I agree with "the video defense" it will either show your lame trolling efforts or your inability to grasp the reality of the situation. Real dialogue is welcome.

Your idea of dialogue is to bring up 9/11?

[MatthewT]

Nice, a Benghazi thread!

I didn't pay much attention today. She had 4 months to get her story straight. I'm guessing she didn't provide evidence for why they thought the video was the culprit for weeks and weeks?

the only take-away i got was that she never read anything and that she was busy taking care of the 69,996 other state dept. employees at the time

oh, and that the truth doesn't matter. she actually said something like that; does it matter? we have 4 dead americans; does it matter how they were killed?

so, it happened 9/11/12, and it's what, 1/24/13, and we still know nothing about who knew what when

[MatthewT]

What? I didn't say that, and I acknowledged that accusing the video for this was false. But there was actual intelligence that suggested the video had something to do with it--that intelligence was wrong. Your partisanship shows in that you just didn't realize the whole video storyline was based on anything--your side framed it as a complete lie put out to cover up "the real truth". Our intelligence failed before and after the attack--that is reasonable to investigate. The nonsensical accusations that the right threw out, many of which have been proven to be false, were unreasonable. In fact If the left had done something like this on any attack post 9-11 and pointed out intelligence failures of the Bush administration they would have been accused of "emboldening the terrorists"

Please don't post another reply trying to say I agree with "the video defense" it will either show your lame trolling efforts or your inability to grasp the reality of the situation. Real dialogue is welcome.

where did you see that the youtube clip had something to do with it?

other than the administration asserting that it did, in spite of the clear evidence it did not, available within hours, if not days, of the attack?

and they went on and on and on about the youtube clip for weeks?

and the youtube guy is in jail right now?

[RiotGrip]

Your idea of dialogue is to bring up 9/11?

Oh I forgot you didn't start caring about politics until late 2009 or 2010. But if you do recall the mood of the country from 9/12/01 to roughly november of 2003, to even suggest the administration was doing anything wrong in terms of national security was tantamount to treason or at least emboldening terrorists.

I know you were an adult at this time because I know you are older than me, but damn where was your mind to be so forgetfull of the previous reactions of criticizing the administration for any national security matter to the anger and suspicion that people have now over a much less deadly failure than so many that occured under the previous administration.

[YokoOhNo]

Hillary says she never even saw the requests for more security. This was not about funding.

She Also Said She Gets About 1,000,000 per day

[MatthewT]

Oh I forgot you didn't start caring about politics until late 2009 or 2010. But if you do recall the mood of the country from 9/12/01 to roughly november of 2003, to even suggest the administration was doing anything wrong in terms of national security was tantamount to treason or at least emboldening terrorists.

I know you were an adult at this time because I know you are older than me, but damn where was your mind to be so forgetfull of the previous reactions of criticizing the administration for any national security matter to the anger and suspicion that people have now over a much less deadly failure than so many that occured under the previous administration.

no, it was just stupid. we'd been attacked, and we fought back.

now, we get attacked, we blame some youtube movie makin' dude and say it doesn't matter who attacked us

try to keep up

[stripes]

the whole system as presented yesterday is just so fucking transparently bad. i'm not even saying the sec of state should be in charge of security but shouldnt there be someone responsible? we spend more on defense than all other countries combined & theres no embassy setup guy thats in charge of deciding how much a new embassy in a known hotspot deserves & then adjusting accordingly when things change, ya, theres money well spent by our gubment once again.
yesterday was just another gubment exercise to go thro the motions of putting the repubs on the offensive on how upset they were with whatever happened & the democrats patting their fellow democrat on the back for a job well done, all to satisfy their respective dumbass constituents (us)...& mccain is one complete asshole, so glad that weird little petty bitch will never be president. all the moaning & bitching he's done over this & he didnt ask one fucking question???? its all for show, his office called clintons people & told her, look, mccains gonna read you the riot act to make his crazies back home happy, just sit their & take it & he wont ask you any specifics & we'll all go have a beer later....just as no heads rolled for the original 9/11, none will ever roll in washington....just puff your chest out, make alot of noise to rally your voters back home to make them think you are actually doing something & put on a good show with useless televised hearings & call it a day....fuck you mccain & everyone in washington.
useless fucking cunts

[I invented that]

Oh I forgot you didn't start caring about politics until late 2009 or 2010. But if you do recall the mood of the country from 9/12/01 to roughly november of 2003, to even suggest the administration was doing anything wrong in terms of national security was tantamount to treason or at least emboldening terrorists.

I know you were an adult at this time because I know you are older than me, but damn where was your mind to be so forgetfull of the previous reactions of criticizing the administration for any national security matter to the anger and suspicion that people have now over a much less deadly failure than so many that occured under the previous administration.

So you're going with you did it first defense?

[shitcunt]

Apparently she saw Argo.

[MatthewT]

So you're going with you did it first defense?

nope, the blame bush defense

[MatthewT]

the whole system as presented yesterday is just so fucking transparently bad. i'm not even saying the sec of state should be in charge of security but shouldnt there be someone responsible? we spend more on defense than all other countries combined & theres no embassy setup guy thats in charge of deciding how much a new embassy in a known hotspot deserves & then adjusting accordingly when things change, ya, theres money well spent by our gubment once again.
yesterday was just another gubment exercise to go thro the motions of putting the repubs on the offensive on how upset they were with whatever happened & the democrats patting their fellow democrat on the back for a job well done, all to satisfy their respective dumbass constituents (us)...& mccain is one complete asshole, so glad that weird little petty bitch will never be president. all the moaning & bitching he's done over this & he didnt ask one fucking question???? its all for show, his office called clintons people & told her, look, mccains gonna read you the riot act to make his crazies back home happy, just sit their & take it & he wont ask you any specifics & we'll all go have a beer later....just as no heads rolled for the original 9/11, none will ever roll in washington....just puff your chest out, make alot of noise to rally your voters back home to make them think you are actually doing something & put on a good show with useless televised hearings & call it a day....fuck you mccain & everyone in washington.
useless fucking cunts

yup. problem was, it didn't use to matter, 'cause it was a small problem. now it's a huge government spending huge amounts of money and it's become a huge problem. and nobody in DC seems to think government is a problem anymore; they think it's the solution to all our problems, either quickly right away now, or slower but getting to the same ridiculous point a little while later.

i don't even know if there are two parties anymore.

[RiotGrip]

nope, the blame bush defense

You know, fox news and other right wing media wrote you and a few other angry conservatives on this site a check that could never be cashed on this Benghazi story. Now that you've realized it has bounced, rather than go away and shut up with out payment, you fools come back with monopoly money pretending you are still rich.

Yes there was a security failure that cost 4 Americans their lives. There was not a coverup, a pack of lies, a real time video of the attack, a butt-raped ambassador, or any of the other fantasies you devoured on this story.
The best jab anyone even got at Hillary was Rand Paul saying "I'd fire you if I were president!"

[MatthewT]

not so, dude
help was an hour away; there was a 7-8 hour firefight; help never came
there were drones in the area
there were cell calls, wires, cables, all real time, all telling about the attack
there were at least 3 calls from CIA agents asking for permission to engage. all denied
there were several prior attacks. all conveniently forgotten
there were the british and red cross attacks, causing them to rightfully flee the area

if you want to hang your hat on "the administration has not confessed to all that", feel free. feel protected. feel safe. feel whatever you want