The utter stupidity in Republicans holding the country hostage over the debt-limit

[MatthewT]

Seems like you have no proof that it did? Or did I miss something



That represents a third of the budget. If you have a group of people saying we wont cut defense, social security, or medicare--you can cut everything else and maybe just break even(but your state taxes would skyrocket). The Paul ryan budget that was passed and applauded by conservatives didn't cut that 1 trillion of spending to zero for about 40 years--so conservatives applaud a plan that shifts costs to seniors but doesn't raise taxes and only takes 40 years to start running a surplus. Show me some hard numbers that any Republican is pushing that would get rid of 1 trillion dollars of spending immediately--you can't because it only exists on the airways of talk radio that you listen to. But I'm the one getting dopey

all you would have to do is pass a budget and stop spending the "stimulus" money every year; that would save almost $1Trillion right there. did you know the "stimulus" money was being spent each and every year?

and it's also why they haven't passed a budget in the Reid Senate, like, in 4 years

[racerx]

all you would have to do is pass a budget and stop spending the "stimulus" money every year; that would save almost $1Trillion right there. did you know the "stimulus" money was being spent each and every year?

and it's also why they haven't passed a budget in the Reid Senate, like, in 4 years

passing a budget bill means nothing,
because i've never seen any congress adhere to their budget.
and it hasn't passed for political reasons, not economic ones

they know how to reduce spending, it's not rocket science. they don't want to

[I invented that]

they know how to reduce spending, it's not rocket science. they don't want to

they all want cuts they just don't want to cut their own shit.

[racerx]

they all want cuts they just don't want to cut their own shit.

right.
but they want them cut only because don't like what its spent on, not because they care of deficit IMO.
maybe do a 10% cut across the board

[InstigatinMofo]

i guess why should they try if they get paid anyways.

i believe the people who callously assume that collectors of unemployment are lazy mooches are people who have never experienced anything but privilege and can't begin to imagine what their lives would be like if they were forced to rely on the US's sparse "safety net"

there will always be some level of abuse, no matter how well regulated something is. It's just a given when you attempt to do anything on a large enough scale. No amount of rules are going to stop everyone from being dishonest, especially when it comes to the people who are administering it themselves. As such, it's much more important to instead focus on balancing the amount of rules and regulations than it is to try to make the system completely abuse free, because unless you are doing nothing, it's just going to happen, and you might as well accept that as a matter of fact than to try to bury your head in the ground about it. What we need now is smarter rules for entitlement, not stronger ones. Which means that given how much crap people have to go through already in the US, things should sway towards simplification over complication. The problem is that for the Republican party, that makes it sound like you're being weak on it all, since entitlement reform from the GOP at this point is nearly always an emotional appeal, if you ever hear it from some of their die hard supporters, since the facts don't tend to be with them anymore.

Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households



Michele Bachmann claims unemployment benefits are unaffordable, but she and her husband have taken $1,100,000 from taxpayers for her clinic, farm, and salary since she has been in the US Congress for the past 4 years

"[Megyn Kelly] used to hate entitlement programs, mandated benefits and things like that. See if you can spot the difference between Megyn Kelly coming off of maternity leave and some of her earlier work."

Chaos on Bullshit Mountain - The Entitlement Society

Republicans believe in entitlement by tribe, not by nation.
Mitt Romney believes that his children are entitled to his fortune upon his demise by virtue of ancestry. This wealth will be passed onto them, unearned by their labor.
Mitt Romney opposes transferring of his wealth to members of his nation because they are not entitled to anything and unearned wealth, wealth not acquired through labor, brings about lazy, irresponsible people...

sometimes i get the sense it's not actually hypocrisy, it's a lack of empathy. Right wingers seem to have trouble processing experiences they haven't shared. So if they've needed an abortion, they're pro-choice.

We all act in our own self-interest, but conservatives and liberals view self-interest differently. Liberals are more inclusive of other people in their self-interest calculus because they believe the fate of others is inextricably linked to their own wellbeing. Conservatives, by contrast, have a narrower conception of self-interest that excludes other people from consideration – especially those who are very different from themselves. The common term we use to describe a person who does not sufficiently factor others into his or her own interests is selfish.


Of course conservatives care about their friends and families just as much as anyone else. But with their narrower conception of self-interest, conservatives are far more likely than liberals to view strangers or people with whom they have little in common as other - even as the enemy - and to therefore fail to respect or empathize with them fully. They are more likely to condemn others for perceived wrongdoings based on these differences. They are more likely to impute hostility or other negative intentions into the actions of others ("Obama wants to kill grandma, and use indoctrination camps to turn America into a Muslim socialist dictatorship", etc.). They are more likely to attribute their own successes to skill ("we built this"), but blame their own failures on "the government". They are more likely to attribute the success of others to luck, but the failures of others to laziness or some other character flaw ("47% of the country just wants a handout"). They are more likely to cherrypick facts to support their preferred narrative (e.g. climate change denial). They are more likely to ignore evidence in the present in favor of an idealized past ("we want our country back"). And finally, they are more likely to fear and resist any change that might cut into their own advantage, even if it would greatly benefit others (gay marriage is a good example).

www.adamdorr.com

[RiotGrip]

have you already forgotten about cut, cap, and balance, that takes like 8 years?

but you're dopey because you think we can't save a Trillion dollars by not spending a trillion dollars. that's dopey.

go tell your boss you're going to need an extra thousand next month for a new computer, and that you need a raise to do so. tell him your credit cards are all maxed out and you have to get a raise to buy the new computer. see what he says.

now imagine that's reality

Yes we can cut 1trillion dollars from the budget, but no politician has had the balls to put on paper the cuts that they would make to accomplish this in a short amount of time. Oh and cut cap and balance only would have cut 111 billion in 2012 and there wasn't actual areas to be cut past that, just limiting spending as a percent of GDP. I don't have a boss by the way, I have a vote on a board of directors.

[shitcunt]

Every single person I know that has taken unemployment could have lived without it. It should at least be harder to get.

[Bosch76]

all you would have to do is pass a budget and stop spending the "stimulus" money every year; that would save almost $1Trillion right there. did you know the "stimulus" money was being spent each and every year?

and it's also why they haven't passed a budget in the Reid Senate, like, in 4 years

What stimulus spending? Please explain how much and what its for.

[InstigatinMofo]

Every single person I know that has taken unemployment could have lived without it. It should at least be harder to get.

i know about a guy that was making about $60K when he was layed off. The unemployment he was getting was for about $32K/year, less COBRA $5k. If he took a minimum wage job, probably 2 or 3 to make the 40 hour week and he'd still only gross $15K and STILL have to pay COBRA for health insurance. That's where the incentive to take ANY job is lost - 32k VS. 15k.

rules need to be rewritten.

[shitcunt]

i know about a guy that was making about $60K when he was layed off. The unemployment he was getting was for about $32K/year, less COBRA $5k. If he took a minimum wage job, probably 2 or 3 to make the 40 hour week and he'd still only gross $15K and STILL have to pay COBRA for health insurance. That's where the incentive to take ANY job is lost - 32k VS. 15k.

rules need to be rewritten.

hey i think we agree on something

[MatthewT]

passing a budget bill means nothing,
because i've never seen any congress adhere to their budget.
and it hasn't passed for political reasons, not economic ones

they know how to reduce spending, it's not rocket science. they don't want to

it's fiscally irresponsible at any level to not have a spending budget. but you give harry reid a pass, because you vote D. we get it.

[racerx]

it's fiscally irresponsible at any level to not have a spending budget. but you give harry reid a pass, because you vote D. we get it.

one can have a spending budget and spend 10x more then the budget outlines.
that would be fiscally irresponsible on all levels.

one can not have a spending budget and spend less than the incoming revenue.
that would not be fiscally irresponsible on any level

are you trolling me?


you voted for a liberal in the last 2 elections. i voted for a conservative in the last 2 elections.
we can go issue by issue if you wish to determine who the real liberal is

it is you have give the republican liberals a pass because of the R.
i give no one a pass. i care less what party anyone is in. it means nothing.

[SiriusDawg]

it's fiscally irresponsible at any level to not have a spending budget. but you give harry reid a pass, because you vote D. we get it.

Interesting....so when we raised the debt ceiling 10+ times under Bush and we never heard a word from you or any Republicans.....what? That was just....uh.....something?

[I invented that]

Interesting....so when we raised the debt ceiling 10+ times under Bush and we never heard a word from you or any Republicans.....what? That was just....uh.....something?

obama was against it before he was for it

[SiriusDawg]

obama was against it before he was for it

At least he stands to each position....right-wingers are too stupid to understand which side they are on

[MatthewT]

if you didn't hear people yelling at bush that he was spending too much money, you weren't paying attention

or you're just a garden variety liar

[SiriusDawg]

if you didn't hear people yelling at bush that he was spending too much money, you weren't paying attention

Ha, good one.

You should write for a living. You are good at re-writing history.

[MatthewT]

whatever, liar

http://www.cato.org/publications/com...clinton-carter

[MatthewT]

“Conservative” Bush Spends More than “Liberal” Presidents Clinton, Carter

By Veronique de Rugy and Tad DeHaven



July 31, 2003


The Bush administration’s newly released budget projections reveal an anticipated budget deficit of $450 billion for the current fiscal year, up another $151 billion since February. Supporters and critics of the administration are tripping over themselves to blame the deficit on tax cuts, the war, and a slow economy. But the fact is we have mounting deficits because George W. Bush is the most gratuitous big spender to occupy the White House since Jimmy Carter. One could say that he has become the “Mother of All Big Spenders.”

[SiriusDawg]

That...is your evidence?

You are posting THAT as your evidence of YOU or even REPUBLICANS blasting Bush for spending?

Did Google not give you anything of substance to actually post besides that?