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    I buy a lot of products manufactured in China. I buy machines built here for my business. The US made machines are about $10,000 and are virtually bullet proof. The engines are from Japan, however.

    I bought a tool cabinet from China (not cheap) and the glides on the drawers were like tinfoil. They literally bend in your hand. Didn't even make it through the first day. Ball bearings were falling out all over the place. The drawers would have been better off w/o any bearing glides. The US made ones were about double the price, but hey, at least they work!

    Cheap goods have led to a disposable society. Something breaks, you toss it in the landfill rather than repair it. This affects design, as they are engineered to be cheap and sell rather than last a long time. The fuel lines on a Chinese engine used on a piece of equipment I have literally dissolved within a year! I have 8 y/o US or Japan built engines with lines that are still fine. How long can we keep dumping perfectly good items in the trash rather than repair them in a world with finite resources? A more expensive, better built product could offset higher labor costs better via longer life, as materials are a bigger percentage of the cost.

    I've had good and bad products from US and elsewhere. I don't buy the US = inferior argument. Even with cars, if you adjust for price, content, and styling, they're now pretty competitive. My other ride is an F150 and it's awesome. We have pickup truck tariffs and that doesn't seem to have diminished US truck quality. In fact it's helped provide jobs making Tundras and Titans here.



    QUOTE=newcastlefan;2995861]i tried this already: i spent more to buy american air conditioner and it was a piece of crap that failed within 3 months. I then spent the same amount to buy a chinese air conditioner / heater and it works great and has more features (and it uses less electricity to cool and heat better than the american brand).

    its a two way street: american companies have to agree to produce extremely high quality and durable products again. only then will people be willing to pay more to buy american.[/QUOTE]
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    Apple have created 600K jobs in the US. From parts to apps.
    That is a lot better the Samsung Korea that all fandroids love.

    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
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    Apple have created 600K jobs in the US. From parts to apps.
    That is a lot better the Samsung Korea that all fandroids love.

    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
    Yeah, and shipping jobs to China isn't?

    I'm just using your logic.

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    it's yet another sign that apple is doomed. one of the things that even apple critics point to as part of their success is jobs & co. never bowing to pressure by what competition, etc. dictate.

    I think there are bigger signs that company is in trouble LONG TERM but for the next few years it probably has enough in the pipeline to maintain stability.

    Samsung has really started to make inroads however (I don't own anything samsung and am reasonably happy w/ the one ipod touch i have so viewing all this from a dispassionate distance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    Apple have created 600K jobs in the US. From parts to apps.
    That is a lot better the Samsung Korea that all fandroids love.

    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
    Quote Originally Posted by FlaFlaFlunkie View Post
    Yeah, and shipping jobs to China isn't?

    I'm just using your logic.
    Isn't what?

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    I'd love to see a surcharge added to domestically produced products. Slap a free trade label on there and see how many hippies flaunt their good karma in people's faces.

    Then, sell the same product minus the surcharge and clearly label it as made with blood diamonds or whatever type of rare-earth unobtanium they need to make their processors.

    The disparity in sales would be a clear indication of just how fucked we really are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    Apple have created 600K jobs in the US. From parts to apps.
    That is a lot better the Samsung Korea that all fandroids love.

    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
    Fandroids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
    Traitors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumboWop View Post
    Isn't what?
    Treasonous. I'm using his/her logic.

    Keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    Apple have created 600K jobs in the US. From parts to apps.
    That is a lot better the Samsung Korea that all fandroids love.

    Traitors all who support Samsung and Fandroids..
    Android apps aren't made in the US?

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    I always have a habit of trying to buy US/Canadian made products over Chinese made goods. Sometimes it is difficult because the manufacturing base has been eroded in North America. Yes, at times it is more expensive, but the quality is always better. What worries me more is all the food products that originate out of China that we get. A box of cereal, for example, might say product of USA. However, the flakes themselves might come from China. If the packaging is made in the US and costs more than the flakes, they are allowed to print made in US.
    Juice is another example. If it says from concentrate, the actual juice powder comes from China, gets mixed with US water, packaged in America and gets labeled product of USA. Always try to get not from concentrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David999 View Post
    A box of cereal, for example, might say product of USA. However, the flakes themselves might come from China. If the packaging is made in the US and costs more than the flakes, they are allowed to print made in US.
    Juice is another example. If it says from concentrate, the actual juice powder comes from China, gets mixed with US water, packaged in America and gets labeled product of USA. Always try to get not from concentrate.

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    Apple loves marbles.
    They use slave labor and still charge top dollar for their products.
    But leftys love them.....so they say nothing.

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