Another Reason to not Escalate a situation

[itpdude]

So you think all blacks are pigs in the mud? What a terribly racist thing to say!


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HA HA HA! Very good one. I know yer joshin' around, but for the ones who don't get the sarcasm so much, no, not all blacks are pigs in the mud. Young men who blast their music at a gas station, however, likely are pigs in the mud. They are itching for a confrontation. Why give them what they want? To prove you're a tough-guy? Good for Dunn, he's a real tough-guy. . . . in jail facing murder charges. It's not worth it, methinks.

Here's an interesting story out of Houston. Gas station attendant got into an argument with a "customer", got punched, and shot the guy in the stomach.

He's lucky there was video because otherwise, he'd be in jail: http://www.khou.com/news/local/-Surv...181127601.html

[itpdude]

That guy's wishing he had his Saturday back

Man o' man, yes.

[DaBUU]

I agree that if someone points a gun at you, you have the right to defend yourself but that's not really my point. I hear you, though. This guy has a lot of trouble, though, because no firearm was recovered from the shot-up vehicle. That isn't necessarily dispositive of whether a firearm was brandished at Dunn; the weapon could have been tossed somewhere. However, the lack of a found weapon hurts Dunn enormously.

My question is whether it was worth Dunn saying a damn thing to the group of teens blasting their music? I say no. As rude as these little bastards are with their blasting music, I don't bother with them because they are looking for trouble. And I don't want to be that trouble they are looking for, y'know? It's like the old saying: Don't wrestle in the mud with a pig. You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Agreed, he was actually in his car and drove up next to them, clearly just wanting to start trouble. Shouldhave just drove away, noise would have dissapeard within seconds. Hope he gets life or death.

[fletchman71]

If someone points a gun at you, you have a right to shoot them. Case closed.
This is even more clear cut than the Trayvon Martin case (btw, that sure droppped out of the headlines)

That's how Snoop got off on his murder charge back in the 90's.

btw I don't own a gun, probably never will and I'm a monority. I just believe in one's right to self defence

Drebin, I don't want anymore trouble like you had last year on the South Side. Understand? That's my policy.
Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy.
That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.

[racerx]

HA HA HA! Very good one. I know yer joshin' around, but for the ones who don't get the sarcasm so much, no, not all blacks are pigs in the mud. Young men who blast their music at a gas station, however, likely are pigs in the mud. They are itching for a confrontation.

i used to be one of those guys, i'd put in aftermarket equipment that was very loud. i'm maturer now (tho not by much)
i wasn't looking for a confrontation. i was selfish and never thought about anyone else

also, if some jerk demanded i turned it down, i definitely wouldn't have.
tho if someone asked nice i would

[Spazzmatazz]

That guy's wishing he had his Saturday back

Instead, he had his Saturday black?

[dude]

I can definitely see how having a gun could embolden a person to act a certain way in situations, where they otherwise might not for fear of conflict that might arise. I pretty much take the same approach (don't own a gun, but have been thinking about it lately), that people will be inconsiderate assholes but you can't let them ruin your day, and trying to teach them a lesson is probably not going to work. Unless you are looking for conflict don't bother. Sounds like this guy wanted to teach them a lesson. And I guess he did...but he also likely ruined his life and his families in the process.

[itpdude]

i used to be one of those guys, i'd put in aftermarket equipment that was very loud. i'm maturer now (tho not by much)
i wasn't looking for a confrontation. i was selfish and never thought about anyone else

I hear ya, man. I did qualify it with them "likely" looking for confrontation. I never added boom to any of my vehicles but had buddies who did. Gah, one of my friends had this shitty smallish car (forget what kind) and he added something like a couple of 8's to the trunk, thus taking up a ton of space, along with an amp that needed to be cooled. The thing vibrated like crazy and "buzzed" on every boom.

It was ridiculous. We'd go out and get drunk at a party, pass out, and hungover he'd boom that fucking shit. Horrible. He wasn't looking for trouble but was looking for attention. Nothing personal but I found it silly then and find it downright stupid now.

[racerx]

I hear ya, man. I did qualify it with them "likely" looking for confrontation. I never added boom to any of my vehicles but had buddies who did. Gah, one of my friends had this shitty smallish car (forget what kind) and he added something like a couple of 8's to the trunk, thus taking up a ton of space, along with an amp that needed to be cooled. The thing vibrated like crazy and "buzzed" on every boom.

It was ridiculous. We'd go out and get drunk at a party, pass out, and hungover he'd boom that fucking shit. Horrible. He wasn't looking for trouble but was looking for attention. Nothing personal but I found it silly then and find it downright stupid now.

yeah. i get a kick of of these people who have audio equipment worth far more than their crappy car.
and most times, it's not even quality loud, it's just bad loud

[itpdude]

I can definitely see how having a gun could embolden a person to act a certain way in situations, where they otherwise might not for fear of conflict that might arise. I pretty much take the same approach (don't own a gun, but have been thinking about it lately), that people will be inconsiderate assholes but you can't let them ruin your day, and trying to teach them a lesson is probably not going to work. Unless you are looking for conflict don't bother. Sounds like this guy wanted to teach them a lesson. And I guess he did...but he also likely ruined his life and his families in the process.

That's the angle I'm looking at here. Example, I despise bad drivers. Don't like being cut-off. Think it's inconsiderate to not use signals. Have gotten flipped off a few times. Tail-gated occasionally. I don't engage. Don't even make eye-contact. If someone wants to escalate without my participation and take to to the point where I have no choice, sure, I'll defend myself. But my general experience so far is if I don't engage with them, they buzz off.

Funny story, I was driving in Buckhead (in the city of Atlanta but north of downtown) and the roads change a bit. . . it'll be a straight ahead road and then turn into a left-only lane. I got in one of those that turned into a left only and changed lanes to the right lane so I could keep going straight ahead. Some jackalope got offended, feeling I cut him off which I may have. I don't think I did, but maybe I did. I'd checked my mirrors, looked over my right shoulder and it looked clear to me. Anyways, this guy in a Jeep Wrangler flipped his shit, tried to run me off the road, got around me illegally by driving in the opposing lane to get around and started hitting his brakes and driving super erratically.

And then we got to a stop light. I kept my distance behind him at the stop, probably about 20 feet behind him, and he jumped out and was spittin'-nails pissed. It was a white guy, shaved head, tatted up (tats on his face, etc) and was yelling, "you don't get in front of me motherfucker", etc. I was nervous, for sure. I retrieved my pistol from my glove-box and jammed it in my seat, safety off, bullet in chamber. I worried he'd be coming back with a weapon. It didn't look like he had one. I also readied my mace in my right hand and lowered my window (probably should have left it up, but oh well). He came charging back to me, jogging the 20 or so feet to my truck, hit my rear-view mirror, turning it 90 degrees, howling venom, making threats, etc.

But he didn't look like he had a weapon so I held my mace and right after he hit the mirror, I blasted him for a sustained period (maybe 5 seconds) with the mace. It first went straight into his open mouth and then I adjusted it higher, hoping to get his eyes. It worked and he hit the deck, flopping around on the ground screaming and choking. The light turned green and I went around his Jeep, adjusted my mirror and looked back. He was still flopping around on the ground trying to get on his knees.

As the adrenaline eased in my body, I laughed my fucking ass off and still get a laugh thinking about it. It's still in my minds-eye and it remains hilarious.

[CAPTAIN KIRK]

This guy will go straight to jail, and stay in jail, and deservedly so.

It's jagoffs like this that ruin concealed carry for all other law abiding responsible citizens...

[CAPTAIN KIRK]

Drebin, I don't want anymore trouble like you had last year on the South Side. Understand? That's my policy.
Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy.
That was a Shakespeare-In-The-Park production of "Julius Caesar", you moron! You killed 5 actors! Good ones.

[dude]

That's the angle I'm looking at here. Example, I despise bad drivers. Don't like being cut-off. Think it's inconsiderate to not use signals. Have gotten flipped off a few times. Tail-gated occasionally. I don't engage. Don't even make eye-contact. If someone wants to escalate without my participation and take to to the point where I have no choice, sure, I'll defend myself. But my general experience so far is if I don't engage with them, they buzz off.

Funny story, I was driving in Buckhead (in the city of Atlanta but north of downtown) and the roads change a bit. . . it'll be a straight ahead road and then turn into a left-only lane. I got in one of those that turned into a left only and changed lanes to the right lane so I could keep going straight ahead. Some jackalope got offended, feeling I cut him off which I may have. I don't think I did, but maybe I did. I'd checked my mirrors, looked over my right shoulder and it looked clear to me. Anyways, this guy in a Jeep Wrangler flipped his shit, tried to run me off the road, got around me illegally by driving in the opposing lane to get around and started hitting his brakes and driving super erratically.

And then we got to a stop light. I kept my distance behind him at the stop, probably about 20 feet behind him, and he jumped out and was spittin'-nails pissed. It was a white guy, shaved head, tatted up (tats on his face, etc) and was yelling, "you don't get in front of me motherfucker", etc. I was nervous, for sure. I retrieved my pistol from my glove-box and jammed it in my seat, safety off, bullet in chamber. I worried he'd be coming back with a weapon. It didn't look like he had one. I also readied my mace in my right hand and lowered my window (probably should have left it up, but oh well). He came charging back to me, jogging the 20 or so feet to my truck, hit my rear-view mirror, turning it 90 degrees, howling venom, making threats, etc.

But he didn't look like he had a weapon so I held my mace and right after he hit the mirror, I blasted him for a sustained period (maybe 5 seconds) with the mace. It first went straight into his open mouth and then I adjusted it higher, hoping to get his eyes. It worked and he hit the deck, flopping around on the ground screaming and choking. The light turned green and I went around his Jeep, adjusted my mirror and looked back. He was still flopping around on the ground trying to get on his knees.

As the adrenaline eased in my body, I laughed my fucking ass off and still get a laugh thinking about it. It's still in my minds-eye and it remains hilarious.

Yeah, that road rage is some crazy shit. People can really lose their minds and become super dangerous. Good on you for showing restraint and not blasting him with a bullet.

[Spazzmatazz]

i used to be one of those guys, i'd put in aftermarket equipment that was very loud. i'm maturer now (tho not by much)
i wasn't looking for a confrontation. i was selfish and never thought about anyone else

also, if some jerk demanded i turned it down, i definitely wouldn't have.
tho if someone asked nice i would

Blastin' rap, eh?
Back when Sirius radios would send the FM signal really strong? You could run right over a local station with it.
I had one of the frequencies on my radio set for the local rap station. And when I was sitting at a light and heard that shit? I changed frequencies and blasted them with country western music.
It only worked once in awhile if they were listening to cd's etc. But when it worked, it was a riot.

[racerx]

Blastin' rap, eh?
Back when Sirius radios would send the FM signal really strong? You could run right over a local station with it.
I had one of the frequencies on my radio set for the local rap station. And when I was sitting at a light and heard that shit? I changed frequencies and blasted them with country western music.
It only worked once in awhile if they were listening to cd's etc. But when it worked, it was a riot.

that's awesome. i wish i could get one of those old radios. mine are all weak.
blasting classic rock, not rap

[itpdude]

Yeah, that road rage is some crazy shit. People can really lose their minds and become super dangerous. Good on you for showing restraint and not blasting him with a bullet.

Oh, the adrenaline was pumping so fucking hard. It really was something. It was one of those extremely stressful situations where everything slowed down. A lot. It was probably 10 seconds, maybe even less, from him jumping out of his Jeep to me hitting him with the mace but it felt like a couple minutes.

And I'm still glad I didn't shoot him. My hearing would be damaged, an attorney would have to be hired, and who knows whether a DA would choose to file criminal charges, judge allow it, and find a jury to convict me even on facts that heavily favored me. Even if charges weren't filed or I was acquitted, it would not stop civil charges from being filed which would mean MORE attorney's fees. Then there are the psychological wounds of having shot someone. I'm not a sociopath so it would be very hard to accept seriously wounding someone or killing them.

It woulda been a mess.

[itpdude]

Another reason to let bygones be bygones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HZt...has_verified=1

[itpdude]

Black guy had a nice red button-down shirt. Had.

[PI Nate]

Anyone else see this one? A homeowner in minnesota kills burglars in HIS home and is being prosecuted...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ed-with-murder

[itpdude]

Anyone else see this one? A homeowner in minnesota kills burglars in HIS home and is being prosecuted...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ed-with-murder

Saw it. Problem is the first shots were legal. The following shots, where the man "finished" the burglars off is the problem.

He told the cops the burglars were incapacitated by his first shots. Then he told them he "finished" them off.