Pravda: Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society.

[SiriusDawg]

I prefer the 1$ = 1 Vote concept. Obviously the extremely wealthy are smarter and better at financial matters, and they are the Job Providers, so it stands to reason that they should be given much more influence than some dumbass who works 2 shifts a WalMart and doesn't even have his own insurance.

Agreed. I am still not sure why they pay these people per hour...why not make it per 2 hours?

Oh, you made $200 last week? Now it is $100.

[I invented that]

Agreed. I am still not sure why they pay these people per hour...why not make it per 2 hours?

Oh, you made $200 last week? Now it is $100.

We should do away with employment the government should give every citizen $100,000.00 a year. Problem solved, now we are all equal.

[SiriusDawg]

We should do away with employment the government should give every citizen $100,000.00 a year. Problem solved, now we are all equal.

Absolutely not. All people making under $50k per year should get $100,000, All people making under $100,000 should get $500,000.....and everyone else should be given $999,000,000,000,000.

[I invented that]

Absolutely not. All people making under $50k per year should get $100,000, All people making under $100,000 should get $500,000.....and everyone else should be given $999,000,000,000,000.

Sounds fair, considering debt is no problem we may as well go all in.

[SiriusDawg]

Sounds fair, considering debt is no problem we may as well go all in.

Well, you need to remember that it is a problem now. But, if a Republican takes over in 2016, the debt magically will disappear from any and all GOP talking points.

[MatthewT]

Pays taxes? You do realize everyone pays taxes, correct?

Using the 47% line won't work here either since that is strictly income taxes which is not that much of the overall tax structure.

And I am still not sure how the 53% of income tax payers would provide a better government or more accountability.

"everyone pays taxes"

this statement does not seem to take into consideration those who take more out of the tax system through the EIC than is withheld in any payroll taxes they might be "paying"

if you do not think so, i will pay you $5 for every $10 you want to sell me.

[I invented that]

Well, you need to remember that it is a problem now. But, if a Republican takes over in 2016, the debt magically will disappear from any and all GOP talking points.

Been a democrat behind the big desk for 4 years, obviously debt is no bfd.

[SiriusDawg]

this statement does not seem to take into consideration those who take more out of the tax system through the EIC than is withheld in any payroll taxes they might be "paying"

Oh joy, joy....I get to teach you about taxes.


- First, the Child Tax Credit & EIC are what Republicans usually cry about during the debate about the 47%'ers....and the CTC was started in 1997...under an All-Republican Congress? Interesting....EIC goes back further with both parties.
- Second, payroll taxes bring in almost as much money as the individual income tax of the poor....but you knew that, right? If you include payroll taxes, it turns out that only 18 percent of households pay no direct federal taxes.
- Third, as has been pointed out a few million times, the majority of people who don't pay either income or payroll taxes are the elderly largely because (a) Social Security benefits aren't taxable for most beneficiaries and (b) many of the elderly no longer work. Almost all of the other households that don't pay direct federal taxes make less than $20,000 per year.

So, the Republicans way of solving the debt is to.....tax those making under $20,000 some more? Well, that ought to just raise a few thousand! That will fix the debt!

[MatthewT]

i do not feel that your post enlightened me at all; are you saying that 47% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes, or no?

are you saying that the CTC and EIC do not distribute more to the working poor than are withheld in their payroll taxes, or no?

are you saying that if we tax the rich at the highest marginal rate of 39.6% that it will solve our debt and/or deficit problem, or no?

do you think anything could solve our national debt problem, or no?

[SiriusDawg]

are you saying that 47% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes, or no?

are you saying that the CTC and EIC do not distribute more to the working poor than are withheld in their payroll taxes, or no?

are you saying that if we tax the rich at the highest marginal rate of 39.6% that it will solve our debt and/or deficit problem, or no?

do you think anything could solve our national debt problem, or no?

Yes

Maybe

Some

Yes

[MatthewT]

they don't
they do
it will not
nothing will pay off the debt; it will have to be discharged/dismissed/voided

[SiriusDawg]

they don't
they do
it will not
nothing will pay off the debt; it will have to be discharged/dismissed/voided

You big into the way debt works? You run a business with debt?

If so, tell us

[MatthewT]

the debtor is slave to the lender

that's really all you need to know

[MatthewT]

but sure, if you want to get into the weighted average cost of capital for the typical corporation, knock yourself out

[racerx]

but sure, if you want to get into the weighted average cost of capital for the typical corporation, knock yourself out

would you agree that most of the mainstream republican positions are not actually conservative?

[SiriusDawg]

would you agree that most of the mainstream republican positions are not actually conservative?

He believes a Supreme Court Ruling is not really a ruling so good luck getting this out of him.

[MatthewT]

would you agree that most of the mainstream republican positions are not actually conservative?

absofuckinglutely

[MatthewT]

i see "progressive" and "conservative", not "democrat" and "republican", mostly because we are all republicans as we live in a republic, and are not democrats as we do not live in a democracy. the terms republican and democrat are therefore vague, ambiguous and confusing.

progressive = government can and will do better for the people than they can do on their own

conservative = let's stick to the gameplan, separation of powers, limited government, constitution as amended, etc.