Fox Attacks Unions for Bargaining for Better Pay and Benefits

[InstigatinMofo]

Another day on Fox, another day of divide and conquer and attack workers as being overpaid, or unreasonable for wanting to earn a living wage and maybe retire with some dignity before they drop dead.

Unfortunately, the average American seems to think backwards. When they hear of a union member making more money with benefits, and having an overall better life, they don't ask, "Why am I not doing as well as him?" like it seems happens in other countries, but instead asks, "Why is he not doing as badly as I?"

[BeetTheBoxer]

What liberals refuse to recognize is that anyone working at Wal-Mart knows the deal. There's no gun to their head and they can quit anytime they like. It's not as though $8 to $10 per hour jobs are that hard to find. Don't like it? Fucking leave.

Consumerism: People want to go out and think they're getting good deals on shit they don't need. Crap. Plastic shit made in China where a real industrial revolution is taking place full of human rights violations. People think they're being sneaky like George Washington's holiday attack on the British. They're aren't. They're just being fat and disguting.

Walmart workers aren't exploited: Eww working in a climate controlled building and having to wheel around the occasional heavy cart. Careful not to break a fingernail guys. Yes you deserve 15 dollars an hour to jack up the prices in the store so it will go out of business because the only reason people shop in your dump of a store is to get cheap shit.

So fuck off MoveOn. Maybe if your organization would pump money into helping pay for life changing surgeries for poor people who need them, we wouldn't have a health care problem in this country. Or perhaps, if you dump it into habitat for humanity and build houses for the poor who work at Walmart, then those workers would be doing just fine earning what they earn. Fuck you for wasting your money for political change, when you already have the freedom and money to implement social change now. Assholes.

[InstigatinMofo]

Walmart workers aren't exploited: Eww working in a climate controlled building and having to wheel around the occasional heavy cart. Careful not to break a fingernail guys. Yes you deserve 15 dollars an hour to jack up the prices in the store so it will go out of business because the only reason people shop in your dump of a store is to get cheap shit.

Employees Forced To Work 24 Hours Nonstop At Wal-Mart Seafood Supplier Seek Fair Treatment

Walmart supply workers in Louisana complain of mistreatment by company's contractors. "The conditions at this Walmart supplier are among the worst we have encountered, rivaling any sweatshop in China or Bangladesh."

Martori Farms: Abusive Conditions at a Key Wal-Mart Supplier - pays $2 an hr - ...we are forced to work in the blazing sun for 8 hours. We run out of water several times a day


Wal-Mart has a virtual stranglehold on its supply chain. It forces its suppliers and contractors to move manufacturing offshore. [An aside "independent" suppliers and contractors. They are basically extensions of Wal-Mart themselves. Their sole customer is Wal-Mart. Their hiring and other operating practices are dictated by Wal-Mart. Many of them operate on land owned by Wal-Mart. To call them separate companies is a legal paper fiction designed to shield Wal-Mart from liability.] And manufacturers in China and India are cheaper than the U.S. mostly due to lax environmental regulation, virtual slave labor, and low quality manufacturing processes. Since Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world, their business practices have an undue influence on the rest of the economy. Other retailers have been following their lead as we race to the bottom of wages and standards worldwide.

[SiriusDawg]

What liberals refuse to recognize is that anyone working at Wal-Mart knows the deal.

And they know the deal and continue fighting for better pay/benefits.

Your argument is that the workers should just accept it....they are accepting it....and fighting for better benefits.

I fail to see where the issue is...if they get fired, they get fired.

[HeinousMark]

It boggles my mind that the Entitlement Culture seem to think that just because they are willing to work their ass off in miserable conditions, that society "owes" them something. If they were smart they would save up and make investments so that they never had to work again, and would make lots more money from it. "Them that got money, get more money. Them that don't, don't." Embrace this simple fact, idiots, and quit begging for handouts.

And one more thing, if taxes were raised to fair levels on the lower and middle class, while reducing unfair taxes on the wealthy and giant corporations, and give them a few financial breaks and incentives, they will put that money right back into the system, and the so-called "working class" might just find themselves a little extra jingle in their pockets.

[SiriusDawg]

And one more thing, if taxes were raised to fair levels on the lower and middle class, while reducing unfair taxes on the wealthy and giant corporations, and give them a few financial breaks and incentives, they will put that money right back into the system, and the so-called "working class" might just find themselves a little extra jingle in their pockets.

Absolutely not! Listen, Mr. A who makes $5M per year should only pay 10% of his income in tax every year while Mr. B who makes $45,000 should pay near 20%-25% of his income every year. That makes sense, right? The more you make (ie the better person you are) should allow you to pay less and less to the society that likely gave you the job (along with your hard work....and loans...and benefits...).

[HeinousMark]

Absolutely not! Listen, Mr. A who makes $5M per year should only pay 10% of his income in tax every year while Mr. B who makes $45,000 should pay near 20%-25% of his income every year. That makes sense, right? The more you make (ie the better person you are) should allow you to pay less and less to the society that likely gave you the job (along with your hard work....and loans...and benefits...).

Exactly. I still think 10% would be too high for Mr. A, but at least you're coming to your senses.

[SiriusDawg]

Exactly. I still think 10% would be too high for Mr. A, but at least you're coming to your senses.

Frankly, he probably shouldn't have to pay any. I mean, I think we should let Mr. A off the hook for that mortgage he has with Freddie Mac on his $5M home and the loan he took out with the government for his business.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

And they know the deal and continue fighting for better pay/benefits.

Your argument is that the workers should just accept it....they are accepting it....and fighting for better benefits.

I fail to see where the issue is...if they get fired, they get fired.

And there's no reason why they shouldn't fight for wage increases, considering the company's profits, but noooooo.

Wal-Mart's "job one" priority is to the shareholders and the shareholders only; not the consumer and certainly not the employees.

Capitalism, on steroids.

[HeinousMark]

Slight change of subject, but I was just thinking: Instead of our Sacred Job Creators (Ceationism ) paying enormous amounts for political influence, they should be able to force their lower level employees to contribute oh, ten or fifteen percent, maybe, to whatever PAC or campaign or politician they (SJCs) tell them to, or else they can simply give up those jobs to someone who is more of a "team player". This would not only help releive the financial burdens of the beleaguered SJCs, it would be good for Patriotism and Esprit De Corps among the workers. THis is all just a general notion that popped into my head this morning, but I think it has great potential once this little jewel is polished a bit.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Slight change of subject, but I was just thinking: Instead of our Sacred Job Creators (Ceationism ) paying enormous amounts for political influence, they should be able to force their lower level employees to contribute oh, ten or fifteen percent, maybe, to whatever PAC or campaign or politician they (SJCs) tell them to, or else they can simply give up those jobs to someone who is more of a "team player". This would not only help releive the financial burdens of the beleaguered SJCs, it would be good for Patriotism and Esprit De Corps among the workers. THis is all just a general notion that popped into my head this morning, but I think it has great potential once this little jewel is polished a bit.

how about instead they give them $2 more an hour?

That would be a good start.

How anyone believes that the current "minimum wage" is a living wage is fucking beyond me.

[HeinousMark]

how about instead they give them $2 more an hour?

That would be a good start.

How anyone believes that the current "minimum wage" is a living wage is fucking beyond me.

Gimme gimme gimme, I'm Entitled to make a living (living high on the hog) wage so GIVE me more money

No, you're ENTITLED (for now) to leave your job if it doesn't pay enough to suit you. Learn to live within your means. I know an old man, early 60's, who is a veteran, and works odd jobs to get by. He lives in a small, old, wooden house he inherited when his mother died, and he makes just enough to pay the property taxes and buy some bologna and bread and occasionally live it up with some 99 cent burgers. No electricity, no running water, no phone... He cooks on a grill out in his front yard, shits in the backyard, and bathes in the sink at the public restroom down the street in a park at least once a month. Oh, and his neighbors sometimes give him leftovers or let him use their waterhose. And I've never heard him complain ONCE about how society OWES him a bunch of money. THAT is the kind of man that makes this country the greatest country in history.

Please note: Except for the very last sentence, everything I just typed is 100% true. If the city ever notices how he lives, I don't know what will happen to the old dude.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

There's a difference between looking for a handout or something you don't deserve and corporations that make HUGE profits and pay their employees minimum wage.

If you can't see the obscene disparity in that, I guess we'll just have to stop talking about it.

Can you afford to live on the current minimum wage? Afford rent, utilities, food, etc.?

I doubt it. At least not in any neighborhood either of us would want to live.

[SiriusDawg]

There's a difference between looking for a handout or something you don't deserve and corporations that make HUGE profits and pay their employees minimum wage.

When Corporations take their tax breaks and/or other deals given to them by the government, they are smart

When non-Corporations and/or non-rich people do it, they are greedy, scum-sucking, rats

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

I'm just saying, how does a company (with a straight face) justify earning profits like that and offer their employees shit benefits and minimum wage?

[SiriusDawg]

The Anti-Union talk is really just the Republicans way of trying to hide the complete and utter incompetence of the executives and other administrators the last 10+ years.

Why people keep saying that the Union caused the company to go under when the Exec's had 300% raises lately with sales falling off the cliff.....is another shining example of how clueless righties are today.