After Texas secedes, will they invade New Mexico??

[stripes]

it has to do with retiring because there are no new jobs being created, and the older workers are not retiring, so the younger generations have no jobs to move into. they just become more people on extended unemployment and moving back in with their parents. the continuity of contributions is disrupted because there will be no one able to directly replace the older workers as they begin to die off. the younger workers will not pick up the higher salaries and continue the higher contributions. they will get lower salaries and make lower contributions so the program funds will reduce.

you didnt read my post, you're arguing against your own points & too many things that we're probably not talking the same topic..dont even know where to begin.., i lost interest.between you heinous marks bob dylans theory of economics i fuken quit.this link is what i was talking about....if interested.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/ma...pagewanted=all

[stripes]

they write the cap gains rules to fuck the middle class. They get tied to the middle class so the middle class working Joe argues to keep them as low as possible, even though he/she cant benifet the way the rich do.Cap gains should be 0% for the first say $50,000 (so it doesnt effect middle class retirement funds). After than it should be the same rate as every other form (37-39%)

the middle class benefits tremendously by cap gains tax, do any of you fucking loser idiots have...nevermind...rich peepo is bad crooks, por peepo gud.

[Bro]

thats investment money bro, take away the tax incentive & no one will be risking investing in our countries bidness. i've never even heard a democrat argue for cap gains tax of more than 20% which its probably going to be raised to. raise cap gains tax higher than income tax will send the markets to tank fast with no recovery...thank god even every dumbfuk in washington knows that basic economic fact & you knee jerk idiot wealth hating morons arent in charge. take a class at your local community college, it will open your eyes a little to the ways of the world.

That's bullshit right there.

[BethsZygote]

how does the middle class benefit from low capital gain OTHER than their retirement funds (which i said should be set to ZERO for the first $50,000)?

feel free to explain away this:

https://ivn.us/2012/11/13/suppressed...t-on-tax-cuts/

here is the report they are talking about

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/bu...andeconomy.pdf

Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today itis 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the
1970s; today it is 15%. The real GDP growth rate averaged 4.2% and real per capita GDP increased annually by 2.4% in the 1950s. In the 2000s, the average real GDP growth rate was 1.7% and real per capita GDP increased annually by less than 1%. There is not conclusive
evidence, however, to substantiate a clear relationship between the 65-year steady reduction in the top tax rates and economic growth. Analysis of such data suggests the reduction in the top tax
rates have had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. The share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. The evidence does not suggest necessarily a relationship between tax policy with regard to the top tax rates and the size of the economic pie, but there may be a relationship to how
the economic pie is sliced.f

FACTS SUCK HUH?

[stripes]

how does the middle class benefit from low capital gain OTHER than their retirement funds (which i said should be set to ZERO for the first $50,000)?feel free to explain away this:https://ivn.us/2012/11/13/suppressed...t-on-tax-cuts/here is the report they are talking abouthttp://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/bu...andeconomy.pdfFACTS SUCK HUH?

thought the discussion was cap gains rate? what economic theory do you just soak the fucking taxpayers & thats a viable solution to overspending?name a country on this planet that your tax & overspend plan works.you do realize that increasing the rates on the 250k crowd gains us a total of 58billion in revenue for 2013 vs the budget shortfall of 1 fuckin trillion for the same period, & we should raise the rates, said it before. but we have some of the highest corp tax rates in the world & in a global economy, corps have options like moving to a lesser taxed country. you do know that taxes are built into all products & services you consume correct, in other words they pass it along to customers, no business just absorbs their taxes.again this has turned into a wealth is bad & not paying fair share etc etc class warfare started by the hopey changy great divider that played you idiots for the fools you are.why dont you google the chart that shows what % of the budget the top 20%taxpayers contribute.i will never convince a simpleton like you that taxpayers making >250k are hard working driven assholes that pay more taxes in one year more than your petty little inbred class warfare inbred family will pay in your combined shitty little lives. your vitriol towards the folks who actually pay the taxes for your welfare state is mind boggling. & i no longer care to argue with your dumbassedness.wealthy taxpayers bad crooks not paying fair share...poor people of the welfare state with earned income credit good, i got it loud & clear. trust me.....idiocracy the movie, 2 thumbs up

[stripes]

That's bullshit right there.

that thars sum bullshit uh earl...yup you sed it jeb, sumbich talkin all fancy & shit...yup...everybody knows rich fokes bad uh earl, yup aint never done nuttin fo me, nope, no siree bob.

[Avery]

Your post has nothing to do with what's being discussed, but...

Throughout the late-1940s and 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was typically above 90%; today itis 35%. Additionally, the top capital gains tax rate was 25% in the 1950s and 1960s, 35% in the
1970s; today it is 15%. The real GDP growth rate averaged 4.2% and real per capita GDP increased annually by 2.4% in the 1950s. In the 2000s, the average real GDP growth rate was 1.7% and real per capita GDP increased annually by less than 1%.

Why did your blurb leave out the 90s?

[BethsZygote]

Your post has nothing to do with what's being discussed, but...




Why did your blurb leave out the 90s?

first, its not my blurb, its the introduction of the bipartisan report issued by the Congressional Research Service, that the GOP attempted to suppress.

Second of all, i thought this thread was about Texas seceding. My first post was about secession, and everyone else was talking about taxes.

[stripes]

i like how the original argument was cap gains & they should be lower than income tax rates & then numnuts presents historical info that supports that argument... & omits the economic disaster of the 70's when the cap gains was 35% & inflation was 20%...good times there now.

[BethsZygote]

Stripes, your comment about class warfare in my reputation was comical.

I guess we both agree it is class warfare, the only difference is i think its the rich attempting to keep everyone else from becoming rich like them. Ya know, that quote from that BI PARTISAN report that says "the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution."

Its too bad youre so brainwashed you see it the other way. Its cool, im sure you will be a 0.006% soon like Mitt, its not like there is a report that says the Elite are trying to protect their own, nor would they want to do something like that... o wait.

[BethsZygote]

The REAL funny thing that WILL eventually happen is a revolt. They Czar and the Boyars in 1916 Russia didnt think their concentration of wealth was a problem either.

At some point the concentration of wealth IS BAD for the wealthy. It is an inevitable and unavoidable fact.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

You dont see Uhauls following hearses do you?

[tomtom]

cling to your guns. you and the rest of your party are obsessed with shooting someone.




probably blanks.

You wouldn't want to test that theory personally.

[racerx]

1. no one is seceding from anywhere.
2. can someone explain to me how and why republicans, conservatives, and tea partyers supported palin. knowing that she did something even worse than raising cap. gains tax, which was implementing a windfall tax

[HeinousMark]

When money makes money and is taxed less than people that work for their money the economy tanks.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even excluding the tax issues, that is the essence of what has been and is destroying our country.

[SiriusDawg]

But I don't think we could ever live without you.....

With Texas, that is true. Without the US and the billions to trillions Texas receives from the Feds, it would make for a great comedy show to see Texas fend for themselves as a 3rd World Country.

[mattyfishrip197]

Dave thinks he will be safe with no guns. Problem is the criminals will still have guns Dave. also, you can still be stuck with a pig sticker or strangled

lol pig sticker....dawg is 100 percent country boy no doubt

I'll break out my butterfly knife.

awwwwwww shit....it will be on then

[Avery]

[racerx]

don't businesses and people in TX hire illegals for cheap labor?

then people wonder why they come here.

if we didn't give them jobs, we wouldn't even have to secure the border

[Bro]

awwwwwww shit....it will be on then

Awwww Yeah.

[InstigatinMofo]

All Secessionists Can Secede By Renouncing Their Citizenship. Ain't one of them got the balls to go that far.

Reminds me of the people who equate taxes to oppression, but never seem to leave for a country with low taxes and no public infrastructure.

i guess everything is bigger in Texas – even the fucking whining.