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**Nibbler** · 01-25-2013, 08:17 AM

This looks great!

**Chimney Portions** · 01-25-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Nibbler

This looks great!

Holy shit...a Richard Kuklinski movie?? I had no idea this was even being made. I just watched the Iceman Confessions again on Youtube a couple weeks ago. I used to watch them all the time on HBO.

I love when he talks about going to the gay club and wearing a tight canary yellow sweater in order to get close to the target to stick him with cyanide. He said he was dancing like a "fruit" and then paused and said, "No offense!"

Sscary, scary guy. Some say he made a lot of it up, but even if he did, he's a scary motherfucker.

**Kamie** · 01-25-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Chimney Portions

Holy shit...a Richard Kuklinski movie?? I had no idea this was even being made. I just watched the Iceman Confessions again on Youtube a couple weeks ago. I used to watch them all the time on HBO.

I love when he talks about going to the gay club and wearing a tight canary yellow sweater in order to get close to the target to stick him with cyanide. He said he was dancing like a "fruit" and then paused and said, "No offense!"

Sscary, scary guy. Some say he made a lot of it up, but even if he did, he's a scary motherfucker.

Any nobody is scarier than Michael Shannon.

**harlock** · 01-28-2013, 09:31 PM

i'm hardly a big baseball guy, but this series is really well done. fascinating history and great interviews. it gives me a real understanding of the reverence that people have for the game.

**Chimney Portions** · 01-29-2013, 11:54 AM

Just watched Zero Dark Thirty.

In fairness, I watched it in two parts with well over a week between each. I just watched the entire thing and, despite it being very long, I enjoyed it. Well, most of it.

It's overall a solid movie and it's interesting to see how the whole thing went down. I understand that a great amount of poetic license was taken and, thankfully, Bigelow refrained from making this pro-Obama propaganda in any way. There's no condemnation of the Bush Administration either. Not even a hint of it. This is about the agents and nothing more.

There's not too much to say about this one. It was good, but nothing great. Nothing I'll ever have any interest in seeing again though. It went down the chain of events beat by beat. This was completely story driven and the attempt to turn this into a character piece fell a bit flat for me. In fact, some of that attempt made me cringe.

Now I don't know just where reality stops and poetic license begins, but the "development" of Maya turning into a ruthless Ahab in her pursuit of bin Laden just felt sloppy and uneven. She went from this by-the-book agent with no stomach for torture into this ice-cold ball buster obsessed with killing UBL at any cost. And why? Because somebody she kind of knew was killed thanks to that person being reckless and abandoning protocol? Yeah, I dunno...that seemed a bit forced, but I'll give it a pass.

However, I can only suspend disbelief so far. When May introduced herself as, "the motherfucker who found this place, sir" to Leon Panetta, I literally cringed. She meets the director of the CIA for the first time in her career and she introduces herself as, "the motherfucker who found this place"? Really? We're supposed to just accept that?

After that scene there was this huge barrage of casual "fuck" bombs (most uttered by Panetta himself) and I just didn't get it. They were so out of place that I was pulled right out of the story. Granted, I don't know too much about Panetta..maybe he has a reputation for having a sailor's mouth behind closed doors, but even if that's the case, it still felt so abrupt and misplaced. I'm guessing it was done to introduce a brief bit of levity, but it served as nothing more than a distraction.

Other than that and some hokey dialog and interactions between the pre-raid SEALs, every thing seemed to be on point. Those are really the only gripes I can recall. OK, well there's one other, but maybe it's just me.

When the SEALS on the ground were demoing the downed Black Hawk, the live Black Hawk in the air seemed to take off as soon as the detonation went off. And then the music shifted to this somber score. If this wasn't based on true events, I'd swear that we were meant to think that the SEALS on the ground were either left behind or went out in to controlled explosion. Either I missed something or I'm remember history completely incorrectly, but that is what the scene portrayed.

Anyway, yeah, good movie all around. Solid performance and, I'll be honest, the final raid sequence was VERY satisfying. I just don't see why so many people think this movie, its direction or any performances were worthy of an Oscar. Nothing blew me away.

**Kamie** · 01-29-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Chimney Portions

Just watched Zero Dark Thirty.

In fairness, I watched it in two parts with well over a week between each. I just watched the entire thing and, despite it being very long, I enjoyed it. Well, most of it.

It's overall a solid movie and it's interesting to see how the whole thing went down. I understand that a great amount of poetic license was taken and, thankfully, Bigelow refrained from making this pro-Obama propaganda in any way. There's no condemnation of the Bush Administration either. Not even a hint of it. This is about the agents and nothing more.

There's not too much to say about this one. It was good, but nothing great. Nothing I'll ever have any interest in seeing again though. It went down the chain of events beat by beat. This was completely story driven and the attempt to turn this into a character piece fell a bit flat for me. In fact, some of that attempt made me cringe.

Now I don't know just where reality stops and poetic license begins, but the "development" of Maya turning into a ruthless Ahab in her pursuit of bin Laden just felt sloppy and uneven. She went from this by-the-book agent with no stomach for torture into this ice-cold ball buster obsessed with killing UBL at any cost. And why? Because somebody she kind of knew was killed thanks to that person being reckless and abandoning protocol? Yeah, I dunno...that seemed a bit forced, but I'll give it a pass.

However, I can only suspend disbelief so far. When May introduced herself as, "the motherfucker who found this place, sir" to Leon Panetta, I literally cringed. She meets the director of the CIA for the first time in her career and she introduces herself as, "the motherfucker who found this place"? Really? We're supposed to just accept that?

After that scene there was this huge barrage of casual "fuck" bombs (most uttered by Panetta himself) and I just didn't get it. They were so out of place that I was pulled right out of the story. Granted, I don't know too much about Panetta..maybe he has a reputation for having a sailor's mouth behind closed doors, but even if that's the case, it still felt so abrupt and misplaced. I'm guessing it was done to introduce a brief bit of levity, but it served as nothing more than a distraction.

Other than that and some hokey dialog and interactions between the pre-raid SEALs, every thing seemed to be on point. Those are really the only gripes I can recall. OK, well there's one other, but maybe it's just me.

When the SEALS on the ground were demoing the downed Black Hawk, the live Black Hawk in the air seemed to take off as soon as the detonation went off. And then the music shifted to this somber score. If this wasn't based on true events, I'd swear that we were meant to think that the SEALS on the ground were either left behind or went out in to controlled explosion. Either I missed something or I'm remember history completely incorrectly, but that is what the scene portrayed.

Anyway, yeah, good movie all around. Solid performance and, I'll be honest, the final raid sequence was VERY satisfying. I just don't see why so many people think this movie, its direction or any performances were worthy of an Oscar. Nothing blew me away.

You presumably did not see this in the theater if you saw it in 2 parts. Do you have a bootleg or a SCREENER? If you have a screener, I suspect I know who may have sent it to you......

Bigelow definitely took artistic license, as per the article linked to below. There is a documentary that will be shown on HBO sometime this year that should shed some light on the actual events. I don't think Bigelow ever maintained that her work was total non-fiction, although it may be marketed as such. I hope that we're going to see ZDT this weekend and I will provide my insights after that time.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wir...ts_813565.html

**Chimney Portions** · 01-29-2013, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Kamie

You presumably did not see this in the theater if you saw it in 2 parts. Do you have a bootleg or a SCREENER? If you have a screener, I suspect I know who may have sent it to you......

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm a member of SAG! Don't tell anybody, but I'm actually Jonathan Lipnicki.

Bigelow definitely took artistic license, as per the article linked to below. There is a documentary that will be shown on HBO sometime this year that should shed some light on the actual events. I don't think Bigelow ever maintained that her work was total non-fiction, although it may be marketed as such. I hope that we're going to see ZDT this weekend and I will provide my insights after that time.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wir...ts_813565.html

Honestly, I really didn't care about poetic license so I tried not to pick apart the obvious additions...and there were definitely a few that were dead giveaways. But the "motherfucker" line is SO out of left field that I couldn't believe my ears. You'll see what I mean when you see it...it was an attempt at something...a failed attempt....and whatever that something was, I just don't know. I won't give away any "spoilers" (although I must admit, bin Laden gets killed at the end!!!) but the more Hollywood-style tweaking of reality worked fine and didn't change the narrative. Even at times where it was a bit over the top. The "motherfucker" line was the only deal breaker.

**StRyDeRxX** · 01-29-2013, 12:16 PM

I need a new audio book recommendation. I just finished World War Z and really enjoyed it.

**Kamie** · 01-29-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Chimney Portions

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm a member of SAG! Don't tell anybody, but I'm actually Jonathan Lipnicki.

Honestly, I really didn't care about poetic license so I tried not to pick apart the obvious additions...and there were definitely a few that were dead giveaways. But the "motherfucker" line is SO out of left field that I couldn't believe my ears. You'll see what I mean when you see it...it was an attempt at something...a failed attempt....and whatever that something was, I just don't know. I won't give away any "spoilers" (although I must admit, bin Laden gets killed at the end!!!) but the more Hollywood-style tweaking of reality worked fine and didn't change the narrative. Even at times where it was a bit over the top. The "motherfucker" line was the only deal breaker.

Just curious, Jonathan, which movie did you like better: ZDT or The Hurt Locker?

**Kamie** · 01-29-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by StRyDeRxX

I need a new audio book recommendation. I just finished World War Z and really enjoyed it.

I don't listen to audio books, and the book I am reading now is the Black Dahlia Avenger 2. I am lame. However, I can tell you that the Brad Pitt vehicle of the same name is going through reshoot after reshoot, so I suspect the movie version of WWZ might suck.

**Chimney Portions** · 01-29-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Kamie

Just curious, Jonathan, which movie did you like better: ZDT or The Hurt Locker?

Oh, ZDT hands down. The bin Laden raid was depicted in what nearly felt like real time and it was absolutely thrilling. Not in a shiny, slick action movie kind of way, but in a "Holy shit, this stuff really happens!" kind of way and that alone made the movie a much more memorable experience than The Hurt Locker.

I enjoyed The Hurt Locker, but I also thought that it too was a bit overrated and probably not something I'll ever watch again.

**Kamie** · 01-29-2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Chimney Portions

Oh, ZDT hands down. The bin Laden raid was depicted in what nearly felt like real time and it was absolutely thrilling. Not in a shiny, slick action movie kind of way, but in a "Holy shit, this stuff really happens!" kind of way and that alone made the movie a much more memorable experience than The Hurt Locker.

I enjoyed The Hurt Locker, but I also thought that it too was a bit overrated and probably not something I'll ever watch again.

OK - thanks. I loved the Hurt Locker so I am really looking forward to ZDT this weekend. By the way, I loved you in Jerry Maguire.

**Nibbler** · 01-29-2013, 01:01 PM

Please indulge me. I am a sucker for romance, fantasy and magic....(and weeping)

**Chimney Portions** · 01-29-2013, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kamie

OK - thanks. I loved the Hurt Locker so I am really looking forward to ZDT this weekend. By the way, I loved you in Jerry Maguire.

Thanks, but I'd like to be remembered for my role as Tony in The Little Vampire. Jerry Maguire was fun to film, but Tom kept trying to get me to read Dianetics and it eventually got pretty fucking annoying. I was there to work, not get my Thetans counted.