The Arrogance of Faith

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Awesome. +1

Even if the universe of Marvel Comics is fiction, the characters in them interact with actual Gods and yet this seemingly incompatible relationship is never reconciled (is it in the graphic novels?) with contemporary beliefs of faith and religion.

[Bro]

you seem to have a real difficulty separating fact from fiction

Speak for yourself Mathew.

[InstigatinMofo]

[Lucky Pierre]

So true!

A talking serpent?

Magic fruit that gives you knowledge?

Woman born from the rib of a man?

Two of every species aboard a 450 foot boat at sea for an entire year?

Noah living to be 950 years old?

Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days before being vomited onto land?

A virgin becomes pregnant from a ghost?

A deceased person comes back to life?

The earth is 6,496 years old?

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Simply dismiss your common sense and rational thought and conclude either 1) "God works in mysterious ways, the puny human mind God gave me can't possibly understand God's logic in presenting these increbible stories that in any other context I would laugh off as absolutely absurb" and/or 2) "of course I don't literally believe in those things, you have selectively (and conveniently) pick and choose which stories to dismiss as allegories and metaphors and which which ones to take literally".

[Gretsch Man]

Good one!

[InstigatinMofo]

[InstigatinMofo]

[InstigatinMofo]

[InstigatinMofo]

Why are believers ignorant about atheists?

[InstigatinMofo]

[MatthewT]

So true!

A talking serpent? Yes, likely a satan possessed dinosaur type Do you have scientific evidence that satan cannot possess animals, i.e., the herd of pigs overtaken by Legion?

Magic fruit that gives you knowledge? Nothing magic about it. it was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and eating it gained Adam and Eve the knowledge thereof. the disobedience was the fall of man, and broke creation.

Woman born from the rib of a man? Man made from the dirt of the earth, and God breathed life into him and named him Adam. You're okay with that. taking Adam's DNA from a rib and fashioning women, that's the hard part for you. okay.

Two of every species aboard a 450 foot boat at sea for an entire year? books have been written that about 20,000 different kinds of animals were necessary to repopulate the earth. there's way more room on a tiered ark than necessary for all the humans, animals, and food. educate yourself.

Noah living to be 950 years old? I don't recall offhand; however, Mathusaleh, the longest lived, and whose death preceded the Flood, or coincided with the beginning of the Flood, was 969 years old. It was not until the Tower of Babel fiasco that God limited human life, at least, to 120 years.

Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days before being vomited onto land? Who said he lived? he likely died, was puked up on the beach, and resurrected. after all, the sign of Jonah was the sign Jesus gave the pharisees to predict His own resurrection.

A virgin becomes pregnant from a ghost? The Holy Spirit is not a ghost, but God. The reason a virgin gave birth is so that the baby was not tainted by the sins of His Father, who has no sin. To say God can speak the universe into existence in 6 days is to start understanding how powerful He is. To plant a seed inside a woman's womb is not a test of God's omnipotence.

A deceased person comes back to life? Many times, but most of them died again. Jesus is the One who died, was raised from the dead, and lives forever more. And through Him, all who believe will do the same. without Him, all perish.

The earth is 6,496 years old? i usually say 6,000 +/- 500 years with a 95% confidence interval, but i have seen people try to be more precise, dating Adam to 4004 BC. Yes. it's a young earth.

etc

etc

etc

etc

etc

etc

Simply dismiss your common sense and rational thought and conclude either 1) "God works in mysterious ways, the puny human mind God gave me can't possibly understand God's logic in presenting these increbible stories that in any other context I would laugh off as absolutely absurb" and/or 2) "of course I don't literally believe in those things, you have selectively (and conveniently) pick and choose which stories to dismiss as allegories and metaphors and which which ones to take literally".

if God were small enough for you to completely understand Him, would He be big enough to worship completely?

[MatthewT]

Why are believers ignorant about atheists?

we're not. the fool has said in his heart, "there is no God"

the fool has said

the fool

[Bro]

A talking serpent? Yes, likely a satan possessed dinosaur type Do you have scientific evidence that satan cannot possess animals, i.e., the herd of pigs overtaken by Legion?

Magic fruit that gives you knowledge? Nothing magic about it. it was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and eating it gained Adam and Eve the knowledge thereof. the disobedience was the fall of man, and broke creation.

Woman born from the rib of a man? Man made from the dirt of the earth, and God breathed life into him and named him Adam. You're okay with that. taking Adam's DNA from a rib and fashioning women, that's the hard part for you. okay.

Two of every species aboard a 450 foot boat at sea for an entire year? books have been written that about 20,000 different kinds of animals were necessary to repopulate the earth. there's way more room on a tiered ark than necessary for all the humans, animals, and food. educate yourself.

Noah living to be 950 years old? I don't recall offhand; however, Mathusaleh, the longest lived, and whose death preceded the Flood, or coincided with the beginning of the Flood, was 969 years old. It was not until the Tower of Babel fiasco that God limited human life, at least, to 120 years.

Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days before being vomited onto land? Who said he lived? he likely died, was puked up on the beach, and resurrected. after all, the sign of Jonah was the sign Jesus gave the pharisees to predict His own resurrection.

A virgin becomes pregnant from a ghost? The Holy Spirit is not a ghost, but God. The reason a virgin gave birth is so that the baby was not tainted by the sins of His Father, who has no sin. To say God can speak the universe into existence in 6 days is to start understanding how powerful He is. To plant a seed inside a woman's womb is not a test of God's omnipotence.

A deceased person comes back to life? Many times, but most of them died again. Jesus is the One who died, was raised from the dead, and lives forever more. And through Him, all who believe will do the same. without Him, all perish.

The earth is 6,496 years old? i usually say 6,000 +/- 500 years with a 95% confidence interval, but i have seen people try to be more precise, dating Adam to 4004 BC. Yes. it's a young earth.

You really need to get out more and open your eyes to reality. You really are mental if you believe that shit.

there is no such thing as satan. satan can not possess anyone because he is not real.

Adam and eve is a fairy tale. there is no tree of knowledge and creation didn't break. wtf?

The whole creationism thing is bullox. really.

Noahs Ark? LOL what about insects and plant life? what about the millions of species in the amazon forest? you really are out there.

God limited life after the tower of babble? more ridiculousness.

there is no such thing as resurrection except in fiction books and movies.

What about the sins of the mother? why is the father to blame for sins? immaculate conception. sounds like a good cover up.

again...no resurrection.

a 6000 year old earth you say? Then how were the dinosaurs here 60 million years ago? even man has been around for a million years. modern man at least 60,000 years.

[MatthewT]

that is reality, Bud. what you have is your opinion, ignorance and lies.

i don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that.

but ask yourself this; if dinosaurs were extinct 60,000,000 years ago, as you say, then how do you account for the thousands of cave paintings, carvings and etchings of specific dinosaurs that date back thousands of years?

and how would soft tissue, connective tissue, and bones (not fossilized bones, bones) of dinosaurs not degrade over 60,000,000 years, and why do we have all these things now?

the entire bible is true Bud; you should really investigate it with all the skepticism you can muster, rather than disregard it as a pack of fairy tales.

that is what a reasonable person would do.

[Bro]

that is reality, Bud. what you have is your opinion, ignorance and lies.

i don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that.

but ask yourself this; if dinosaurs were extinct 60,000,000 years ago, as you say, then how do you account for the thousands of cave paintings, carvings and etchings of specific dinosaurs that date back thousands of years?

and how would soft tissue, connective tissue, and bones (not fossilized bones, bones) of dinosaurs not degrade over 60,000,000 years, and why do we have all these things now?

the entire bible is true Bud; you should really investigate it with all the skepticism you can muster, rather than disregard it as a pack of fairy tales.

that is what a reasonable person would do.

Thousands of cave paintings of dinosaurs? Not a chance in hell mathew. show me cave paintings of dinosaurs.

There are no unfossilized dinosaur bones or connective tissues or soft tissue from dinosaurs. where do you get this stuff from?

Talk about conspiracy. Your case holds no water mathew. It's all smoke and mirrors.

a reasonable person would look at the bible with some skepticism and ask themselves, how can this be? And then search for answers. and the answer can't be because God made it so.

[MatthewT]

Google "cave paintings with dinosaurs"
About 1,420,000 results (0.29 seconds)

[MatthewT]

now throw out all 1,420,000 images and claim that none exist

that seems to be your m.o.

[MatthewT]

In 1987, while working with scientists from Memorial University (Newfoundland, Canada) on Bylot Island, just east of the northern tip of Baffin Island, a young Inuit (Canadian Eskimo) picked up a bone fragment. It was identified within days as part of the lower jaw of a duckbill dinosaur and proclaimed to the world as such.¹

The story was different however in north-western Alaska. In 1961 a petroleum geologist discovered a large, half-metre-thick bone bed. As the bones were fresh, not permineralized, he assumed that these were recent bison bones. It took 20 years for scientists to recognize duckbill dinosaur bones in this deposit as well as the bones of horned dinosaurs, and large and small carnivorous dinosaurs. Presently William A. Clemens and other scientists from the University of California at Berkeley and the University of Alaska are quarrying the bone bed.²

[MatthewT]

T. Rex Soft Tissue Found Preserved

Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News

March 24, 2005
A Tyrannosaurus rex fossil has yielded what appear to be the only preserved soft tissues ever recovered from a dinosaur. Taken from a 70-million-year-old thighbone, the structures look like the blood vessels, cells, and proteins involved in bone formation.

[MatthewT]

Neatly dressed in blue Capri pants and a sleeveless top, long hair flowing over her bare shoulders, Mary Schweitzer sits at a microscope in a dim lab, her face lit only by a glowing computer screen showing a network of thin, branching vessels. That’s right, blood vessels. From a dinosaur. “Ho-ho-ho, I am excite-e-e-e-d,” she chuckles. “I am, like, really excited.”


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