The Arrogance of Faith

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkEEix2I_I#

[MatthewT]

we all have a measure of faith; its effectiveness depends upon what we put that faith into

[Droog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkEEix2I_I#What's your agenda with all these posts? You seem to be obsessed with denouncing Christianity. We know your position and your reasoning behind it, so what's the point? Are you hoping to convert someone?

[InstigatinMofo]

What's your agenda with all these posts? You seem to be obsessed with denouncing Christianity. We know your position and your reasoning behind it, so what's the point? Are you hoping to convert someone?

you have nothing to worry (http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/) about
feel free to put me on your ignore list if my posts are distracting you from the week old threads in this subforum.

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. ~Chapman Cohen

[MatthewT]

can't watch videos at work, but is it safe to assume that the video in OP is some sort of probabalistic evaluation of how many inhabitable, and therefore inhabited, planets there may be in the known universe?

and that to think as the bible states, that God created life only on earth, is somehow "arrogant"?

do i have that correctly?

[Droog]

you have nothing to worry (http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/) about
feel free to put me on your ignore list if my posts are distracting you from the week old threads in this subforum.

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. ~Chapman CohenYou're right. I have nothing to worry about. I don't need to put you on ignore. I'm simply wondering the point. You won't be converting anyone any sooner than they will be converting you.

[Bobby Heenan]

Richard Dawkins is a lunatic pedophile.

[Jack Shit]

richard dawkins is a great man.


fixt.

[terrell]

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. ~Chapman Cohen

hhgttg; 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic. `Oh, that was easy,' says Man.

[MatthewT]

hhgttg; 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic. `Oh, that was easy,' says Man.

was that the babel fish or the avacado pit? :jj:

[MatthewT]

but we really did figure out a way to kill our own God :facepalm:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4jTUF3CLo&feature=youtu.be

[MatthewT]

i have no idea what is so reassuring about an all-powerful being who can throw your eternal soul into eternal torment, and will do so, unless you repent.

that does not seem reassuring to me at all

your fantasy that "i die, and then nothing" is your own fantasy reassuring yourself that you will never be held to account for your crimes against a holy God

[Jack Shit]

That god of yours sure is a judgmental fuck. Doesn't the Creator of the Universe have some better way to spend His time, say, making black holes or crab nebula, instead of torturing puny, insignificant, dead human beings?

:pray:

[MatthewT]

That god of yours sure is a judgmental fuck. Doesn't the Creator of the Universe have some better way to spend His time, say, making black holes or crab nebula, instead of torturing puny, insignificant, dead human beings?

:pray:


sometimes i think i'm not getting through to you, and then you go ahead and learn so much!

God is a badass, motherfucking, hard-core judge, and He will not only kill you dead, but throw you into Hell and there is ONE THING you can do to stop Him from doing that.

confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe IN YOUR HEART that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.

okay, TWO things.

[Jack Shit]

sometimes i think i'm not getting through to you, and then you go ahead and learn so much!

God is a badass, motherfucking, hard-core judge, and He will not only kill you dead, but throw you into Hell and there is ONE THING you can do to stop Him from doing that.

confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe IN YOUR HEART that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.

okay, TWO things.

:bsflag: :haha:


Superstition ain't the way

[MatthewT]

Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life; whoever (including you) believes in Him won't die twice, but live forever in heaven.

free offer to be rich and in heaven and avoid hell, and you are having a hard time deciding which would be to your best interests :facepalm:

[Jack Shit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8&feature=related

Cast aside your superstitions. Free yourself.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JpXO9lTLXog/TgEC1G_sB5I/AAAAAAACXgM/yUj63zBkqAQ/s400/lunar-eclipse-753870.jpgX%2B-%2BCopy%2B(2).jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282/Goldenmasamune/Religion_is_stupid5.jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Jack Shit]

http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2009/11/3/11/jesus-venn-diagram-30341-1257265532-37.jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z264/eee4666/2138599326_b35fab5577.jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://wallscometumblingdown.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/atheists.jpg

[Jack Shit]

“I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good…Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism. Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God’s law, on the Ten Commandments. No apologies.”

-Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue

[Jack Shit]

http://stealinurmegahurtz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Christians.jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://img1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/08/09/02/atheism,funny,jesus,poster,religion,stupid-3d5472d1118af053d3ca5b4f08464d1c_h.jpg

[Jack Shit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VABSoHYQr6k#!

:backlol2:

[Jack Shit]

http://www.viceland.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/img_8747-635x476.jpg

[Jack Shit]

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, 1823

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2RxxDnDyZg

[Jack Shit]

http://www.hark.com/clips/yvbpnycdlm-telling-your-mom-youre-an-atheist

:rofl:

[Jack Shit]

http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fischer.jpg

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.hark.com/clips/yvbpnycdlm-telling-your-mom-youre-an-atheist

:rofl:

there's actually video footage of that lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Aq00yJSxo

no presents for you jack shit, cause that's what christmas is about ! lmao

[RH Goatcabin]

What's your agenda with all these posts? You seem to be obsessed with denouncing Christianity. We know your position and your reasoning behind it, so what's the point? Are you hoping to convert someone?

He's done nothing but post anti-conservative, anti-christian, anti-capitalist missives. At least mean spirited republican Schmoopy goes out into the general forums and has some fun, this guy's just flat out boring.

[RH Goatcabin]

....methinks he doesn't have a lot of fun, he probably goes through life with furrowed brow, tortured by the fact that not everyone see things his way...

[Jack Shit]

He's an InstigatinMofo. :doh:

[Jack Shit]

there's actually video footage of that lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Aq00yJSxo

no presents for you jack shit, cause that's what christmas is about ! lmao

Bwaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa. :rofl:

[RH Goatcabin]

He's an InstigatinMofo. :doh:

Evidently..

[InstigatinMofo]

....methinks he doesn't have a lot of fun, he probably goes through life with furrowed brow, tortured by the fact that not everyone see things his way...

awwwww an attack of my character other than my arguments, how cute

http://i.imgur.com/z4Pqv.jpg

http://mlkshk.com/r/CFCH

[low selfestitle]

Evidently..

Sir! :toptip:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/0p3Fe.png

http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qk1H5.jpg

The rally for nothing in particular (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/24/rally-for-nothing-in-particular/) By Larry Alex Taunton (http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/larry-alex-taunton/index.html)
Published March 24, 2012

| FoxNews.com


It is so ridiculous, it honestly reads like satire. I mean, all of the common fallacies are there.

So as people prepare to gather on the National Mall to celebrate their belief in nothingness, we might reasonably wonder what they want.

False notion that atheism is belief in nothingness.

Leading this crusade are men like Oxford University’s professional atheist Richard Dawkins.

Play on words to invoke atheism as a religion.

His minions organize conferences, evangelize the believing, and even gather for Sunday meetings. Paradoxically, it has become a kind of religion, a Church of Unbelief complete with a saint (Christopher Hitchens), a high priest (Richard Dawkins), and holy writ (anything Dawkins writes). And now, with the political nature of this rally, Dawkins is set to become the Pat Robertson of atheism.
Blatantly call atheism a religion. This is an attempt to allow them to play the standard card: "you have your faith, and I have mine."

Christianity, whatever the faults of its adherents, has a rich intellectual tradition that has a comprehensive view of life.

An intellectual tradition of celebrating the torture and murder of an innocent human being as the single greatest and most important event in all of human history.

It has given rise to the West as we know it. Our laws, arts, governments, and the very framework of our thought find their meaning in Christianity. Take for example the central premise of the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal.”

False notion that the US was founded on Christian principles (notice how he fails to mention slavery).

Indeed, that most of the world believes in the inequality of men finds expression in many of the oppressive laws and governments in non-Western traditions. The only way such a statement makes any sense at all is in a Christian context.

Wait, what? How?

Atheism, by contrast, has no creed, no principles, no philosophy, and can give no guidance. It is but to have a settled disposition on a single question: is there a God?

Wow, something actually accurate...

As my friend the late atheist and journalist Christopher Hitchens conceded, “atheism is nothing in itself.”

I doubt he was your friend, pal.

That not withstanding, atheism does have a history—a bad history. By conservative estimates, the twentieth century, an experiment in secular governance, witnessed the deaths of more than 100 million people. That is more than all the religious wars in all previous centuries combined.

I'm surprised it took him so long to play this card. This is typically the first thing out the gate.

One gets the impression, however, that these so-called “new atheists” listened to John Lennon’s “Imagine” in the black light a few too many times and really believe that a godless society would be utopian in nature.

Portrays idea that atheists are just stoner hippies.

If, for instance, you do not believe in God, you are likely to conclude that man is a temporal being meant to serve the state, an eternal institution.

Wait, what? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it is the theist that desires to be the servant.

If, on the other hand, you believe in a just, benevolent God who made man in his own image, you will likely draw a very different conclusion: man is an eternal being that the state, a temporal institution, is meant to serve.

False dichotomy.

Proponents of a society free from religious influence can point to no nation or civilization that was founded upon atheism that we might call even remotely good. The story of those regimes is well documented and may be summarized in a word—murderous.

Didn't he just say atheism was nothingness? How do you form a nation on nothingness? This is called having it both ways.

What they can point to are secular societies that are still running off of their accumulated Christian capital. But beware. When the fumes in that tank are spent, tyranny cannot be far away.

The tyranny is going to come at the hands of the religious fanatics who are trying to build theocracies.

So as the rally for nothingness meets to celebrate, well, nothing in particular, reflect for a moment on the world they would give us. One need not imagine it. It has been done.

Why are these idiots so oblivious to the fact that they are exactly like the religious fanatics across the sea that they so desperately hate?

[RH Goatcabin]

Sir! :toptip:

Low, my little wafer! 'Sup son?

[RH Goatcabin]

http://i.imgur.com/0p3Fe.png

http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qk1H5.jpg

The rally for nothing in particular (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/03/24/rally-for-nothing-in-particular/) By Larry Alex Taunton (http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/larry-alex-taunton/index.html)
Published March 24, 2012

| FoxNews.com


It is so ridiculous, it honestly reads like satire. I mean, all of the common fallacies are there.

So as people prepare to gather on the National Mall to celebrate their belief in nothingness, we might reasonably wonder what they want.

False notion that atheism is belief in nothingness.

Leading this crusade are men like Oxford University’s professional atheist Richard Dawkins.

Play on words to invoke atheism as a religion.

His minions organize conferences, evangelize the believing, and even gather for Sunday meetings. Paradoxically, it has become a kind of religion, a Church of Unbelief complete with a saint (Christopher Hitchens), a high priest (Richard Dawkins), and holy writ (anything Dawkins writes). And now, with the political nature of this rally, Dawkins is set to become the Pat Robertson of atheism.
Blatantly call atheism a religion. This is an attempt to allow them to play the standard card: "you have your faith, and I have mine."

Christianity, whatever the faults of its adherents, has a rich intellectual tradition that has a comprehensive view of life.

An intellectual tradition of celebrating the torture and murder of an innocent human being as the single greatest and most important event in all of human history.

It has given rise to the West as we know it. Our laws, arts, governments, and the very framework of our thought find their meaning in Christianity. Take for example the central premise of the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal.”

False notion that the US was founded on Christian principles (notice how he fails to mention slavery).

Indeed, that most of the world believes in the inequality of men finds expression in many of the oppressive laws and governments in non-Western traditions. The only way such a statement makes any sense at all is in a Christian context.

Wait, what? How?

Atheism, by contrast, has no creed, no principles, no philosophy, and can give no guidance. It is but to have a settled disposition on a single question: is there a God?

Wow, something actually accurate...

As my friend the late atheist and journalist Christopher Hitchens conceded, “atheism is nothing in itself.”

I doubt he was your friend, pal.

That not withstanding, atheism does have a history—a bad history. By conservative estimates, the twentieth century, an experiment in secular governance, witnessed the deaths of more than 100 million people. That is more than all the religious wars in all previous centuries combined.

I'm surprised it took him so long to play this card. This is typically the first thing out the gate.

One gets the impression, however, that these so-called “new atheists” listened to John Lennon’s “Imagine” in the black light a few too many times and really believe that a godless society would be utopian in nature.

Portrays idea that atheists are just stoner hippies.

If, for instance, you do not believe in God, you are likely to conclude that man is a temporal being meant to serve the state, an eternal institution.

Wait, what? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it is the theist that desires to be the servant.

If, on the other hand, you believe in a just, benevolent God who made man in his own image, you will likely draw a very different conclusion: man is an eternal being that the state, a temporal institution, is meant to serve.

False dichotomy.

Proponents of a society free from religious influence can point to no nation or civilization that was founded upon atheism that we might call even remotely good. The story of those regimes is well documented and may be summarized in a word—murderous.

Didn't he just say atheism was nothingness? How do you form a nation on nothingness? This is called having it both ways.

What they can point to are secular societies that are still running off of their accumulated Christian capital. But beware. When the fumes in that tank are spent, tyranny cannot be far away.

The tyranny is going to come at the hands of the religious fanatics who are trying to build theocracies.

So as the rally for nothingness meets to celebrate, well, nothing in particular, reflect for a moment on the world they would give us. One need not imagine it. It has been done.

Why are these idiots so oblivious to the fact that they are exactly like the religious fanatics across the sea that they so desperately hate?

Go into the Bar and start a thread about bacon and see if you can refrain from making it political. I dare you.

[low selfestitle]

Low, my little wafer! 'Sup son?

Nice to see a friendly face amongst all these words. :lo5:

[RH Goatcabin]

Nice to see a friendly face amongst all these words. :lo5:

There is pain here.

[InstigatinMofo]

Go into the Bar and start a thread about bacon and see if you can refrain from making it political. I dare you.

done
http://www.dawgsaloon.com/showthread.php/16419-whats-you-favorite-bacon-related-recipe?p=902793#post902793

http://i.imgur.com/8AXAV.jpg

[RH Goatcabin]

Didn't it feel good to get out of the little box you've cloistered yourself in?

[InstigatinMofo]

Didn't it feel good to get out of the little box you've cloistered yourself in?

that's all you got? pfff

[RH Goatcabin]

that's all you got? pfff

That's all I need. :dontknow:

[InstigatinMofo]

pastor comes out as non believer

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/46848396#46848396

[Jack Shit]

Mad respect for that guy.

[MatthewT]

post the truth, infuriate atheists :jj:

srs, like 2 pages of copy pasta and youtube videos :jj:

don't you have any personal convictions you can back up with, well, anything other than copy pasta and youtube videos? :rofl:

[Jack Shit]

post the truth, infuriate atheists :jj:

srs, like 2 pages of copy pasta and youtube videos :jj:

don't you have any personal convictions you can back up with, well, anything other than copy pasta and youtube videos? :rofl:

http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fischer.jpg

[MatthewT]

i don't know who that woman is :dontknow:

i do know who Jesus of Nazareth is :hhh:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/Y2WaU.png

[jokeland]

The Vatican Observatory was founded in 1774 and is currently chaired by an astrophysist with degrees from Harvard and MIT. He also happens to be a Franciscan Brother. I wonder how he balances the arrogance of his faith with the comfort of the unkown as described in the original movie?

[MatthewT]

The Vatican Observatory was founded in 1774 and is currently chaired by an astrophysist with degrees from Harvard and MIT. He also happens to be a Franciscan Brother. I wonder how he balances the arrogance of his faith with the comfort of the unkown as described in the original movie?

never ask what an expert thinks; ask why and expert thinks as he does. you'll find many experts way out of their field on most issues, and even in their field, controversial, to say the least.

it's kind of ironic that appealing to God's authority is an appeal to authority, and therefore a logical flaw, but appealing to an "expert" who "should know" this stuff is not :facepalm:

[MatthewT]

http://i.imgur.com/Y2WaU.png

you don't get a lot of time to talk to a jehovah's witness; once they know you're already a religious person, they move along. they don't have a lot of answers, and they are certainly not telling the truth.

easiest way to check that is to ask them why their church doctrine was "revealed" that they were the 144,000 elect, and what they had to do when their numbers reached into the millions :hhh:

[InstigatinMofo]

I have a really wonderful dog named Shnarffles. I rescued him from the pound when he was a puppy, so in many ways he owes his life to me. If it weren't for me, he'd be dead. I take care of him and make sure he is safe and happy. He lives in my house; a house I built with my own two hands. He is allowed to go anywhere he wants to in the house.
Except the laundry room. I have this thing about dogs going into laundry rooms. They wind up trying to sleep in the baskets and they got dog hair all over the clean clothes. I cannot stand it when a dog goes into the laundry room.
But don't worry. I put up a sign on the door that says "No Dogs Allowed." I also trained my first dog, Moopsie, to never go in there, and told her to tell Shnarffles he shouldn't go in there either. I have to assume he got the message.
You know what happened? Shnarffles went in there anyway. Every day. I didn't say anything about it, because it's important to me that dogs are able to make their own decisions in life. I just let him go in there, never saying a word about it, day in and day out for years and years. I never treated him any differently than any of my other dogs, but the whole time he kept going in there, I knew I was going to have to punish him for it eventually.
So yesterday I tied Shnarffles to my kitchen table and slowly cut off every one of his extremities with a rusty blade for about six hours. If only he had obeyed my arbitrary commands, I wouldn't have had to then pour salt into his wounds and gouge out his eyes with my fingers. I love my dogs so, so much. Why do they reject my love by going into the laundry room like that?
Anyway, I'm keeping Shnarffles tied to the table and in as much agony as possible from now on. I'll do my very best to make sure he doesn't die or anything to escape the torment he so richly deserves. After all, it's the moral thing to do.

[jokeland]

I have a really wonderful dog named Shnarffles. I rescued him from the pound when he was a puppy, so in many ways he owes his life to me. If it weren't for me, he'd be dead. I take care of him and make sure he is safe and happy. He lives in my house; a house I built with my own two hands. He is allowed to go anywhere he wants to in the house.
Except the laundry room. I have this thing about dogs going into laundry rooms. They wind up trying to sleep in the baskets and they got dog hair all over the clean clothes. I cannot stand it when a dog goes into the laundry room.
But don't worry. I put up a sign on the door that says "No Dogs Allowed." I also trained my first dog, Moopsie, to never go in there, and told her to tell Shnarffles he shouldn't go in there either. I have to assume he got the message.
You know what happened? Shnarffles went in there anyway. Every day. I didn't say anything about it, because it's important to me that dogs are able to make their own decisions in life. I just let him go in there, never saying a word about it, day in and day out for years and years. I never treated him any differently than any of my other dogs, but the whole time he kept going in there, I knew I was going to have to punish him for it eventually.
So yesterday I tied Shnarffles to my kitchen table and slowly cut off every one of his extremities with a rusty blade for about six hours. If only he had obeyed my arbitrary commands, I wouldn't have had to then pour salt into his wounds and gouge out his eyes with my fingers. I love my dogs so, so much. Why do they reject my love by going into the laundry room like that?
Anyway, I'm keeping Shnarffles tied to the table and in as much agony as possible from now on. I'll do my very best to make sure he doesn't die or anything to escape the torment he so richly deserves. After all, it's the moral thing to do.

different argument than that of your originally posted video

[MatthewT]

your house, your rules

God's universe, God's rules

that's kind of the way things are :dontknow:

[MatthewT]

i have no problem with people saying that God is one scary ass motherfucker

i have a problem when that realization does not cause people to appeal to God's mercy and receive a pardon, and then encounter the overwhelming grace, mercy, and love of their own Creator

it's not actually my problem, because i already have my pardon, but it is a driving force in my life

[InstigatinMofo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g

[MatthewT]

there's either free will, or it doesn't matter :dontknow:

i.e., if everything is predestined, then why argue about it? there's no change, no difference, no responsibility, no crime, no punishment

as a matter of fact, if everything were predestined, you would never know it

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PjVaW4kKI#t=04m02s

[InstigatinMofo]

JetBlue pilot tries to open the door of his plane mid flight saying "You gotta pray to God, you gotta pray to God" passenger responds, "look man, I don't have time for that" and chokes him out. (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57405652/passengers-jetblue-pilot-reached-for-plane-door/)

[InstigatinMofo]

excerpt from a speech by Red Jacket, chief of the Iroquois, to a Christian missionary in 1828

This guy lays down the fucking law right here. Apparently, the missionary's response was to storm off, muttering "there can be no fellowship between the religion of God and the works of the devil." The Iroquois laughed.

"You say that you are right and we are lost. How do we know this to be true? We understand that your religion is written in a book. If it was intended for us as well as for you, why has not the Great Spirit given it to us; and not only to us, but why did he not give to our forefathers the knowledge of that book, with the means of understanding it rightly? We only know what you tell us about it. How shall we know when to believe being so often deceived by the white people? Brother! You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why do you not all agree, as you read the book?"


He's effectively dismantled all of Christian belief right there. Like. a. fucking. boss.


Source: Peter Nabokov, Native American Testimony, p. 55-60(ish)

http://i.imgur.com/Xp499.jpg

[MatthewT]

do you really believe that?

"You say that you are right and we are lost. How do we know this to be true?" It is true whether you know it to be true or not. The truth does not depend on your understanding, and does not fail due to your ignorance.

"We understand that your religion is written in a book." Christianity is not written in a book; it is a living breathing God indwelling His people. Not some "great spirit" catch-all in an animus pagan religion worshipping the creation rather than the Creator.

"If it was intended for us as well as for you, why has not the Great Spirit given it to us; and not only to us, but why did he not give to our forefathers the knowledge of that book, with the means of understanding it rightly?"

He did. God wrote His laws in your heart, and in your forefathers' hearts, and since you descended from Adam, and from Noah, your ancestors had just as much a chance of remaining faithful to God as the Jews did.

"We only know what you tell us about it. How shall we know when to believe being so often deceived by the white people?"

God witnesses for Himself, and does not require people to tell you about Him. If nobody tells you about Him, you still know He is there, and you still are responsible to Him by virtue of living in His universe. God does not care if you are white, black, red, yellow, rich, poor, free, slave; all are equal in His sight.

"Brother! You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why do you not all agree, as you read the book?"

There is only one way God provided men to be saved. That men do not fully understand it is our limitation, not God's. He's done His part; He made His covenants with us, and He has kept His covenants. That there is division in the body is due to the presence of sin in the universe, not the dismantling of God's plan of redemption.

there simply is no other way to get on God's good side than to be one of His, and know Him, and do His will. but by dying to self, and living for Him, you will live with Him forever. by trying to find your own way, you will find only death, and then judgment, and then the second death.

[Jack Shit]

If you assert that this, that or the other thing is true, the burden of proof rests with you. When you attempt to shift this burden to a critic, then you have committed the fallacy of appealing to ignorance.

FAIL.

[MatthewT]

If you assert that this, that or the other thing is true, the burden of proof rests with you. When you attempt to shift this burden to a critic, then you have committed the fallacy of appealing to ignorance.

FAIL.

that burden has been met. the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the most historically verified event in all the ancient world, met the burden that Jesus, who claimed to be the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and the Son of God, indeed is just as He says He is.

the evidence that God is who He says He is is sufficient for you to make a choice. ultimately, there are two spiritual fathers; God and Satan. Light and Dark. Good and Evil.

Jesus offers you Life and Good in one hand, and Death and Evil in the other, and allows you to make the choice.

not making the choice is also a choice, and defaults to death and evil. fantasies of reincarnation, oblivion, nirvana, valhalla; these are the imaginings of men, with no power and no miracles and no evidence to substantiate them.

turn your skeptical eye on them, and tell me what you see.

[Jack Shit]

that burden has been met. the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the most historically verified event in all the ancient world, met the burden that Jesus, who claimed to be the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and the Son of God, indeed is just as He says He is.

the evidence that God is who He says He is is sufficient for you to make a choice. ultimately, there are two spiritual fathers; God and Satan. Light and Dark. Good and Evil.

Jesus offers you Life and Good in one hand, and Death and Evil in the other, and allows you to make the choice.

not making the choice is also a choice, and defaults to death and evil. fantasies of reincarnation, oblivion, nirvana, valhalla; these are the imaginings of men, with no power and no miracles and no evidence to substantiate them.

turn your skeptical eye on them, and tell me what you see.

Just as I thought. :facepalm:

[MatthewT]

Just as I thought. :facepalm:

i mean, i get that you don't like the game, and didn't ask to play, but isn't it better for you to be on the winning team than the losing team?

[InstigatinMofo]

Regardless of how you feel about abortion, the way Todd Stave flipped the script on his bullies is pretty dang clever. Stave is the landlord of a clinic in Germantown that provides abortions. Reproductive Health Services became the focus of antiabortion protesters when it was leased to LeRoy Carhart, one of the few doctors in the nation who acknowledges performing late-term abortions.


There are always protesters outside the office park where the clinic is located, quietly praying or holding vigil, with signs, rosaries, statues of Mary and posters of mangled fetuses.

“Totally appropriate. It’s their right,” Stave told me this week. “They are protected by the First Amendment. And outside the clinic is probably the most appropriate place for them to express their views.”


But his tormentors crossed the line last fall when a big group showed up at his daughter’s middle school (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/anti-abortion-protesters-target-clinics-landlord-outside-childs-md-school/2011/09/12/gIQAn8z2NK_story.html)on the first day of classes and again at back-to-school night. They had signs displaying his name and contact information as well as those gory images of the fetuses.


“What parent wants to have that conversation with an 11-year-old on the first day of school?” he fumed.


Soon after that, the harassing calls started coming to his home. By the dozens, at all hours. Friends asked him how they could help. He began to take down the names and phone numbers of people who made unwanted calls. And he gave the information to his friends and asked them to call these folks back.
“In a very calm, very respectful voice, they said that the Stave family thanks you for your prayers,” he said. “They cannot terminate the lease, and they do not want to. They support women’s rights.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-clinics-landlord-turns-the-tables-on-anti-abortion-protesters/2012/03/29/gIQAThgwiS_story.html?tid=pm_pop

[InstigatinMofo]

church makes you dumb

WASHINGTON, DC, March 29, 2012 — While trust in science remained stable among people who self-identified as moderates and liberals in the United States between 1974 and 2010, trust in science fell among self-identified conservatives by more than 25 percent during the same period, according to new research from Gordon Gauchat, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill’s Cecil G. Sheps Center for Health Services Research.

“You can see this distrust in science among conservatives reflected in the current Republican primary campaign,” said Gauchat, whose study appears in the April issue of the American Sociological Review. “When people want to define themselves as conservatives relative to moderates and liberals, you often hear them raising questions about the validity of global warming and evolution and talking about how ‘intellectual elites’ and scientists don’t necessarily have the whole truth.”

“This study shows that the public trust in science has not declined since the mid-1970s except among self-identified conservatives and among those who frequently attend church,” Gauchat said. “It also provides evidence that, in the United States, there is a tension between religion and science in some contexts. This tension is evident in public controversies such as that over the teaching of evolution.”
As for why self-identified conservatives were much less likely to trust science in 2010 than they were in the mid-1970s, Gauchat offered several possibilities. One is the conservative movement itself.
“Over the last several decades, there’s been an effort among those who define themselves as conservatives to clearly identify what it means to be a conservative,” Gauchat said. “For whatever reason, this appears to involve opposing science and universities and what is perceived as the ‘liberal culture.’ So, self-identified conservatives seem to lump these groups together and rally around the notion that what makes ‘us’ conservatives is that we don’t agree with ‘them.’”

http://www.asanet.org/press/conservatives_trust_has_fallen.cfm

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD_XAX--Ono

[HeinousMark]

excerpt from a speech by Red Jacket, chief of the Iroquois, to a Christian missionary in 1828

This guy lays down the fucking law right here. Apparently, the missionary's response was to storm off, muttering "there can be no fellowship between the religion of God and the works of the devil." The Iroquois laughed.

"You say that you are right and we are lost. How do we know this to be true? We understand that your religion is written in a book. If it was intended for us as well as for you, why has not the Great Spirit given it to us; and not only to us, but why did he not give to our forefathers the knowledge of that book, with the means of understanding it rightly? We only know what you tell us about it. How shall we know when to believe being so often deceived by the white people? Brother! You say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why do you not all agree, as you read the book?"


He's effectively dismantled all of Christian belief right there. Like. a. fucking. boss.


Source: Peter Nabokov, Native American Testimony, p. 55-60(ish)

http://i.imgur.com/Xp499.jpg

Excerpt from "Look At Us" by John Trudell, Native American Poet/Activist/Actor:

To god we hope you don’t mind but we would like to talk to you; there are some things we need to straighten out, it’s about these christians they claim to be from your nation but man you should see the things they do all the time blaming it on you:

manifest destiny, genocide, maximized profit, sterilization, raping the earth, lying taking more than they need in all the forms of the greed. we ask them why, they say it’s god’s will.


Damn god they make it so hard. Remember jesus? Would you send him back to them, tell them how to kill him, rather they should listen stop abusing his name and yours.


We do not mean to be disrespectful but you know how it is, our people have their own ways we never even heard of you until not long ago, your representatives spoke magnificent things of you which we were willing to believe, but from the way they acted we know we and you were being deceived.


We do not mean you and your christian children any bad, but you all came to take all we had we have not seen you but we have heard so much it is time for you to decide what life is worth we already remember but maybe you forgot.

[MatthewT]

that was published somewhere? :dontknow:

i get that some christians are stupid. does that mean christianity is stupid?

i get that some christians have performed evil acts. does that mean christianity is evil?

does it mean Jesus was stupid?

does it mean Jesus was evil?

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/JMNca.jpg

[MatthewT]

the sin of the first man, Adam, condemned you and every other human being

not believing Jesus is the Son of God condemns you now, even before your life is examined in detail

the blood of the second Adam, Jesus Christ, can save you, if you ask

this is really basic, simple stuff :dontknow:

[Jack Shit]

the sin of the first man, Adam, condemned you and every other human being

not believing Jesus is the Son of God condemns you now, even before your life is examined in detail

the blood of the second Adam, Jesus Christ, can save you, if you ask

this is really basic, simple stuff :dontknow:


Super simple.

[MatthewT]

Super simple.

and yet, humanly impossible without divine intervention :pray:

[Jack Shit]

Absolutely. How else could a virgin become pregnant? :coffee:

[Jack Shit]

Or a rotting corpse reanimate and levitate after three days stinking in the desert heat? :c

[Jack Shit]

...and then appear before the Nephites in North America? :scratch:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/h2vhG.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/3naZz.jpg

[MatthewT]

Absolutely. How else could a virgin become pregnant? :coffee:

the tricky part is for a virgin woman to give birth to a male baby

[MatthewT]

Or a rotting corpse reanimate and levitate after three days stinking in the desert heat? :c

knew no corruption, was raised incorruptible, in a better body :coffee:

[MatthewT]

blood atonement for sin required a perfect sacrifice to be perfectly delivered, and then accepted

that's how the two relate; Jesus took every single sin every single person ever committed to Himself into the grave, and came out without them.

this is seriously like 2nd grade sunday school knowledge :facepalm:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/YmPhR.png

[Jack Shit]

blood atonement for sin required a perfect sacrifice to be perfectly delivered, and then accepted

that's how the two relate; Jesus took every single sin every single person ever committed to Himself into the grave, and came out without them.

this is seriously like 2nd grade sunday school knowledge :facepalm:

this is seriously like superstitious nonsense. :facepalm:

[InstigatinMofo]

this is seriously like superstitious nonsense. http://www.dawgsaloon.com/images/smilies/headinhand.gif

“Religion allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions what only lunatics could believe on their own. If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley, you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus, you’re just a Catholic.” -sam harris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27sUfai00oU




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfpAMDwIak4

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/pHx6z.png

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8P1Y1a7-L4

[InstigatinMofo]

How to respond to requests to debate creationists (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/how_to_respond_to_requests_to.php)

A professor at the University of Vermont, Nicholas Gotelli (http://www.uvm.edu/~ngotelli/homepage.html), got an invitation to debate one of the clowns at the Discovery Institute. Here's what they wrote.

Dear Professor Gotelli,
I saw your op-ed in the Burlington Free Press and appreciated your support of free speech at UVM. In light of that, I wonder if you would be open to finding a way to provide a campus forum for a debate about evolutionary science and intelligent design. The Discovery Institute, where I work, has a local sponsor in Burlington who is enthusiastic to find a way to make this happen. But we need a partner on campus. If not the biology department, then perhaps you can suggest an alternative.
Ben Stein may not be the best person to single-handedly represent the ID side. As you're aware, he's known mainly as an entertainer. A more appropriate alternative or addition might be our senior fellows David Berlinski or Stephen Meyer, respectively a mathematician and a philosopher of science. I'll copy links to their bios below. Wherever one comes down in the Darwin debate, I think we can all agree that it is healthy for students to be exposed to different views--in precisely the spirit of inviting controversial speakers to campus, as you write in your op-ed.
I'm hoping that you would be willing to give a critique of ID at such an event, and participate in the debate in whatever role you feel comfortable with.
A good scientific backdrop to the discussion might be Dr. Meyer's book that comes out in June from HarperCollins, "Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design."
On the other hand, Dr. Belinski may be a good choice since he is a critic of both ID and Darwinian theory.
Would it be possible for us to talk more about this by phone sometime soon?
With best wishes,
David Klinghoffer
Discovery Institute



You'll enjoy Dr Gotelli's response.

Dear Dr. Klinghoffer:
Thank you for this interesting and courteous invitation to set up a debate about evolution and creationism (which includes its more recent relabeling as "intelligent design") with a speaker from the Discovery Institute. Your invitation is quite surprising, given the sneering coverage of my recent newspaper editorial that you yourself posted on the Discovery Institute's website: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/02/
However, this kind of two-faced dishonesty is what the scientific community has come to expect from the creationists.
Academic debate on controversial topics is fine, but those topics need to have a basis in reality. I would not invite a creationist to a debate on campus for the same reason that I would not invite an alchemist, a flat-earther, an astrologer, a psychic, or a Holocaust revisionist. These ideas have no scientific support, and that is why they have all been discarded by credible scholars. Creationism is in the same category.
Instead of spending time on public debates, why aren't members of your institute publishing their ideas in prominent peer-reviewed journals such as Science, Nature, or the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences? If you want to be taken seriously by scientists and scholars, this is where you need to publish. Academic publishing is an intellectual free market, where ideas that have credible empirical support are carefully and thoroughly explored. Nothing could possibly be more exciting and electrifying to biology than scientific disproof of evolutionary theory or scientific proof of the existence of a god. That would be Nobel Prize winning work, and it would be eagerly published by any of the prominent mainstream journals.
"Conspiracy" is the predictable response by Ben Stein and the frustrated creationists. But conspiracy theories are a joke, because science places a high premium on intellectual honesty and on new empirical studies that overturn previously established principles. Creationism doesn't live up to these standards, so its proponents are relegated to the sidelines, publishing in books, blogs, websites, and obscure journals that don't maintain scientific standards.
Finally, isn't it sort of pathetic that your large, well-funded institute must scrape around, panhandling for a seminar invitation at a little university in northern New England? Practicing scientists receive frequent invitations to speak in science departments around the world, often on controversial and novel topics. If creationists actually published some legitimate science, they would receive such invitations as well.
So, I hope you understand why I am declining your offer. I will wait patiently to read about the work of creationists in the pages of Nature and Science. But until it appears there, it isn't science and doesn't merit an invitation.
In closing, I do want to thank you sincerely for this invitation and for your posting on the Discovery Institute Website. As an evolutionary biologist, I can't tell you what a badge of honor this is. My colleagues will be envious.


Sincerely yours,
Nick Gotelli
P.S. I hope you will forgive me if I do not respond to any further e-mails from you or from the Discovery Institute. This has been entertaining, but it interferes with my research and teaching

[Jack Shit]

That was too easy. :funny:

[InstigatinMofo]

Mississippi has highest rate of teen mothers (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/04/10/us-teen-births-mississippi-has-highest-rate-new-hampshire-lowest/)
Mississippi teaches abstinence only. (http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/All-MS-Schools-to-Teach-No-Sex-Before-Marriage/0kukdphGQ0a6D73njbwelw.cspx)
Mississippi is losing it's last abortion clinic (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/04/mississippi-could-lose-its-only-abortion-clinic)
Mississippi is one of the most religious states in the Union. (http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=924)
Mississippi is the poorest state in the union. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income)

correlation doesn't imply causation but come on !

[InstigatinMofo]

BRO - CHOICE
Al Madrigal reports on location from Oklahoma, where a proposed amendment to its "personhood" bill would effectively outlaw male masturbation.http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-11-2012/bro-choice

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d4Mf0KfNHI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnIr-sCWsms

if you got an hour and half, watch the whole thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zWbL8Uqfw&feature=related

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/we0WF.jpg (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2011/10/dale_and_shannon_hickman_of_fo.html)

[InstigatinMofo]

https://militantskepticism.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/kim-jong-il-vs-jesus72.png

[Lucky Pierre]

...

appeal to God's mercy and receive a pardon, and then encounter the overwhelming grace, mercy, and love of their own Creator





This is a common argument from Christians and it essentially says "...you are sending yourself to Hell by rejecting God's love" and it makes absolutely no sense.

Tell me, how would you describe a man who proposes to a woman and then says, "If you refuse to marry me... if you reject my love... I'm going to send to you the most horrible place you can imagine, a place where you will be tortured in the most brutal ways and cruelest ways possible, you will never escape."

I think you might be too scared to answer honestly Matt T because you know deep down this concept is pure insanity.

[Lucky Pierre]

the sin of the first man, Adam, condemned you and every other human being

not believing Jesus is the Son of God condemns you now, even before your life is examined in detail

the blood of the second Adam, Jesus Christ, can save you, if you ask

this is really basic, simple stuff :dontknow:


I have a vacation home in the islands worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It is the most beautiful paradise you will ever see. I would like to invite you to come visit, but unfornately, you can't come right now. A long, long time ago, someone who has no connection to you took a bite out of some fruit when they shouldn't have when they inappropriately listened to a talking snake and therefore the rules state that you are too filthy to enter my vacation home. Even though this is my house, I strangely lack the ability to change these rules.

However, I do have some good news.

My wife is about to give birth to a newborn son. After he is born, my plan is to have him murdered. Once this murder is complete, all your filth will be washed away, then you are more than welcome to come visit! So much love and grace!

PS: Oh, and don't you dare question the logic of any of this... you have no idea how severe your punishment will be.

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JI-0py-YQY

[HeinousMark]

I have a vacation home in the islands worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It is the most beautiful paradise you will ever see. I would like to invite you to come visit, but unfornately, you can't come right now. A long, long time ago, someone who has no connection to you took a bite out of some fruit when they shouldn't have when they inappropriately listened to a talking snake and therefore the rules state that you are too filthy to enter my vacation home. Even though this is my house, I strangely lack the ability to change these rules.

However, I do have some good news.

My wife is about to give birth to a newborn son. After he is born, my plan is to have him murdered. Once this murder is complete, all your filth will be washed away, then you are more than welcome to come visit! So much love and grace!

PS: Oh, and don't you dare question the logic of any of this... you have no idea how severe your punishment will be.

Wait...I thought that chick you knocked up was married to another man?!?!?!? Ol' Joe got PWND!!!

[Lucky Pierre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JI-0py-YQY

He makes a great point I hadn't considered

- We all know that the Christianity is based entirely on the Gospels and miracles of Jesus, texts written decades after his death by Greek speaking people (Jesus and all his disciples spoke Aramaic), people that never once met Jesus during their entire lifetimes, never witnessed anything, etc.

- However, his point is "What if there were first-hand, eyewitness accounts of these miracles, then what?" and he makes a great point which is how do we respond to these claims today? There are numerous examples of this happening today. Sathya Sai Baba of India, a man with millions of followers and has literally thousands of first-hand eyewitnesses to his miracles and we don't so much as give it a second thought, we dismiss it as nonsense instantly, "not so much as an hour on the Discover Channel".

Yet, you place a few miracle stories in some ancient books and half the planet organizes their lives around it.

http://www.exoticindia.com/books/the_incredible_sai_baba_the_life_and_miracles_of_i dh498.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517VJF5CX6L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Cutlass]

There is no proof that man evloved from apes.











http://www.dawgsaloon.com/customavatars/avatar1909_1.gif




There is no proof white men evolved from apes.

[InstigatinMofo]

There is no proof white men evolved from apes.

https://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/howard-folderer-totally-looks-like-laughing-gorilla.jpg


:apedance:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2NduSCLiMA

[Lucky Pierre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2NduSCLiMA

There is not a Christian on the planet who can honestly say that if they were raised since say, in India, by loving, devoutely religious Hindu parents, in a culture where all their friends, neighbors, business partners, customers, holidays, food and drink, songs, etc, are all based around Hinduism... that that exact same person wouldn't be a Hindu themselves.

That exact same person would be talking about how much nonsense this Jesus and Bible stuff is compared to Vishnu, Brahma, etc.

Religion is much, much more about where and how you were raised and when you were born vs. your "true beliefs".

I wonder what religion would be if we were born in China in the year 200 BC?

[Jack Shit]

You're going straight to Hell without so much as a stop to piss in Purgatory. :burn:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/PJ5l8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Vn0mo.png

http://i.imgur.com/eLAXy.jpg



YEARBOOOK FROM 1943
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522902_3748738882232_1389143338_4275020_1954205756 _n.jpg

[MatthewT]

This is a common argument from Christians and it essentially says "...you are sending yourself to Hell by rejecting God's love" and it makes absolutely no sense.

Tell me, how would you describe a man who proposes to a woman and then says, "If you refuse to marry me... if you reject my love... I'm going to send to you the most horrible place you can imagine, a place where you will be tortured in the most brutal ways and cruelest ways possible, you will never escape."

I think you might be too scared to answer honestly Matt T because you know deep down this concept is pure insanity.

i am nothing if not honest, and am happy to talk about God, the bible, etc., all day long. however, your analogy fails in at least one particular. all of us deserve to, and are headed to, hell, from the actions of Adam. all of us, me included. in other words, nobody but Jesus deserves to be in heaven, and all men deserve to be in hell.

therefore, the groom, Jesus, being the only being deserving to go to heaven, has stretched down His hand and has offered all who will believe to be a part of the Bride. all christians are therefore united in a corporate body, and will be married to Jesus, in a way we are only vaguely aware of as the unity of marriage here on earth.

and it is true, that we all make the selection either to be with God forever, or to be separated from God forever, and all that entails.

[MatthewT]

I have a vacation home in the islands worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It is the most beautiful paradise you will ever see. I would like to invite you to come visit, but unfornately, you can't come right now. A long, long time ago, someone who has no connection to you took a bite out of some fruit when they shouldn't have when they inappropriately listened to a talking snake and therefore the rules state that you are too filthy to enter my vacation home. Even though this is my house, I strangely lack the ability to change these rules.

However, I do have some good news.

My wife is about to give birth to a newborn son. After he is born, my plan is to have him murdered. Once this murder is complete, all your filth will be washed away, then you are more than welcome to come visit! So much love and grace!

PS: Oh, and don't you dare question the logic of any of this... you have no idea how severe your punishment will be.


a rich man owned a huge vineyard, which he let out to some farmers to raise grapes and make wine. the rich man had visited the vineyard from time to time, but as the last time had been quite a while ago, the tenants ceased sending the rich man his due.

the rich man then sent out a few servants, to make inquiry, and find out what was wrong. the tenants, knowing they were the servants of the rich man, killed them. upon receiving no report, the rich man sent his one and only son, figuring surely the tenants would respect his son and set things right.

the tenants, seeing the son, figured they could kill the son and thus keep the entire vineyard, and did so.

what do you suppose the rich man should do to those tenants?

[MatthewT]

There is not a Christian on the planet who can honestly say that if they were raised since say, in India, by loving, devoutely religious Hindu parents, in a culture where all their friends, neighbors, business partners, customers, holidays, food and drink, songs, etc, are all based around Hinduism... that that exact same person wouldn't be a Hindu themselves.

That exact same person would be talking about how much nonsense this Jesus and Bible stuff is compared to Vishnu, Brahma, etc.

Religion is much, much more about where and how you were raised and when you were born vs. your "true beliefs".

I wonder what religion would be if we were born in China in the year 200 BC?

that is true. had i been the child of a hindu worshipping person of this era, the chances of going to hell are overwhelming.

which is why it is such a blessing to be born in a godly country and raised by godly parents, who know who the one true God is, and not parents who pray to 300,000,000 demons at whim, believe all life is illusory, and that good and evil are the same.

[MatthewT]

There is no proof that man evloved from apes.


http://www.dawgsaloon.com/customavatars/avatar1909_1.gif




There is no proof white men evolved from apes.

i do not know if you did this consciously or subconsiously, but you are correct. the theory of evolution is inherently racist, as the "more evolved" people less resemble apes than does the blaek man pictured herein.

[MatthewT]

https://militantskepticism.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/kim-jong-il-vs-jesus72.png

i can tell the difference; can you? of course there are more antichrists than there are "real Christs"; however, despite which antichrist you choose, that choice is foolish.

[InstigatinMofo]

bwahahahahahaha


http://i.imgur.com/YUuKm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0dG0A.png

http://i.imgur.com/wLJUi.jpg

[MatthewT]

thread godwin'd :coffee:

[InstigatinMofo]

"lalala I can't hear you lalala" seems to be the only refuge of idiots nowadays


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ao0k9qDsOvs

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/Vczjo.png

you'd expect the creator of all living things to know that bats are mammals... :facepalm:

[MatthewT]

it does, which is why it is properly translated from the hebrew into "winged creature", and not "bird".

not sure what that has to do with you choosing to spend an eternity burning in hell :dontknow:

[Droog]

it does, which is why it is properly translated from the hebrew into "winged creature", and not "bird".

not sure what that has to do with you choosing to spend an eternity burning in hell :dontknow:

I love it when they use translations to express their foolish points. A bat isn't a bird. No shit. I think God knew that.

[InstigatinMofo]

From Minister To Atheist: A Story Of Losing Faith
https://www.npr.org/2012/04/30/151681248/from-minister-to-atheist-a-story-of-losing-faith?sc=fb&cc=fp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh_eaZn_s9U&feature=player_embedded#!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsWgNOAByFk&feature=related

[InstigatinMofo]

I love it when they use translations to express their foolish points. A bat isn't a bird. No shit. I think God knew that.

Our current definition of species is a combination of morphological features, gene flow, molecular phylogeny etc into one unified, all-inclusive system that works based on universal rules and not arbitrary human definition. It is unlikely to ever change again or be subject to debate.
The proof that an ancient book translated multiple times into what we have now -from a word or sentence in one language into another, over and over again- does not correspond to our current definition of species, is evidence of its savage author's primitive thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCo6BVPGDh0&t=3m30s
The 5 mile radius thing had me dying...



you'd expect the creator of all living things to know that bats are mammals... http://www.dawgsaloon.com/images/smilies/headinhand.gif

was meant as sarcasm since i dont believe there are gods nor want any imaginary friends... any more questions?

[InstigatinMofo]

Last words from a Gay Vietnam Veteran (http://i.imgur.com/wB9KL.jpg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z-X3uDal_4&feature=youtu.be

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[MatthewT]

this is not the world God created; this is the world that has been cursed due to the fall of man

the world you want is coming, yet you want no part in it

i say this to my shame

[Lucky Pierre]

matt

why not try to address points specifically vs your usual "God's rules.... You're going to hell w/o Jesus" non-response

how about your thoughts on how the bible, new and OT, so clearly embraces slavery

you would figure morally opposing slavery would be the easiest no-brainer, right up there with don't steal, right?

[Droog]

matt

why not try to address points specifically vs your usual "God's rules.... You're going to hell w/o Jesus" non-response

how about your thoughts on how the bible, new and OT, so clearly embraces slavery

you would figure morally opposing slavery would be the easiest no-brainer, right up there with don't steal, right?

Slavery is not embraced in the Bible. You're confusing "allowing" with "embracing". Original sin has tainted mankind. Suffering is part of it. There's drought and famine as well. Even death is the result of original sin.

[InstigatinMofo]

Slavery is not embraced in the Bible. You're confusing "allowing" with "embracing".

mmmmmmm'kay

Exodus 21:2 - "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything."
So, the Hebrews said their own people could not be slaves/indentured servants for more than 6 years. Hey hey, that's not so bad, right? Well, what about foreigners? For that, we must consult Leviticus 25:44-46 - "‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."


Hmm....that seems a little......less nice. These people aren't just indentured servants for a few years, they "become your property" and "you can bequeath them to your children as property." Sounds like good ol'-fashioned slavery to me.


But wait, that's the Old Testament! Everyone knows as soon as you find something inconvenient in the Old Testament, it was actually supplanted by the New Testament! And surely the benevolent, friendly God of the New Testament would have nothing to do the vile institution of slavery. Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." 1 Timothy 6:1 - "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered."

[InstigatinMofo]

matt

why not try to address points specifically vs your usual "God's rules.... You're going to hell w/o Jesus" non-response?

"Arguing with a bible thumper is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and fly back to it's flock to claim victory."

notice the pattern: they make some bs remark i call them out on it, no reply.

[InstigatinMofo]

Mormon, Mo' Problems


Some members of the Republican Party's evangelical base worry about what a Romney presidency would mean for the spiritual health of the United States.


http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-2-2012/mormon--mo--problems?xrs=synd_facebook

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http://i.imgur.com/wqySO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n5KnR.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Na_wcvqUOY

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ebnShlP3jM&feature=youtu.be

Religious morality has historically resembled the accepted societal standard. During the bronze age, god was believed to support genocide. In colonial America, god was believed to support slavery. Today, god is said to support an anti-gay agenda.

In short, god gets his morals from us, not the other way around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7xt5LtgsxQ

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRuF-LqfTk&feature=related


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[MatthewT]

matt

why not try to address points specifically vs your usual "God's rules.... You're going to hell w/o Jesus" non-response

how about your thoughts on how the bible, new and OT, so clearly embraces slavery

you would figure morally opposing slavery would be the easiest no-brainer, right up there with don't steal, right?

which is why christians led the charge in both Great Britain and the US to end the ownership of human beings as chattel, said practice having no place whatsoever with biblical teachings.

but you are mistaken in one crucial area.

biblical slavery and the abomination practiced in the US are not one and the same; are not similar; and indeed vary greatly. you are aware of the slavery in the US. in biblical times, they had debtor's prison. if you borrowed money and could not repay it, the man to whom you owed the money could and would have you thrown into prison until you paid every last penny. that could be a life sentence.

to avoid that, you could become his slave for a set period of time in order to pay off the debt; could be a month, six months, a year, seven years, etc. Jacob was essentially Lot's slave for 14 years in order to marry Lot's daughters. so not only did you have a voluntary system to repay debt and avoid prison, you also had agreements between people to exchange your labor for goods and services, or indeed, wives.

slaves in the bible came basically in two flavors; captured enemies and debtors. in both cases, there were ethical and just ways to deal with those slaves, and, of course, every Jubilee, all slaves were free. should a slave choose to remain a servant in his master's house, the master would basically pierce his ear to his doorway with an awl, signifying a voluntary return to working for the master, and to establish a blood covenant.

there were also several restrictions on how to reward slaves; when they could and could not leave with their wifes and/or children, etc.

do not, however, fall into the pitfall of thinking that the bible condones slavery, or encourages slavery by providing social structures and moral guidance to both the slave and the master. if mankind had never fallen, the issue of slavery, divorce, fornication, homosexuality, etc., would never have existed. knowing His creation, He knew He had to provide for things that exist in our fallen reality.

Jesus does not care if a man is a master or a slave, rich or poor, Jew or gentile, freeborn or of royal blood. He offered salvation to all who will believe in Him.

tl;dr if you don't like slavery, you are going to love heaven.

[InstigatinMofo]

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[Brokenbad]

Wild times back then.

[InstigatinMofo]

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/these-are-the-people-who-are-happy-amendment-one-p

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN5sUsTiM1g&feature=youtu.be

[InstigatinMofo]

Ultra-Orthodox Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse
The first shock came when Mordechai Jungreis learned that his mentally disabled teenage son was being molested in a Jewish ritual bathhouse in Brooklyn. The second came after Mr. Jungreis complained, and the man accused of the abuse was arrested.

Old friends started walking stonily past him and his family on the streets of Williamsburg. Their landlord kicked them out of their apartment. Anonymous messages filled their answering machine, cursing Mr. Jungreis for turning in a fellow Jew. And, he said, the mother of a child in a wheelchair confronted Mr. Jungreis’s mother-in-law, saying the same man had molested her son, and she “did not report this crime, so why did your son-in-law have to?

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?_r=2&em&exprod=myyahoo

[MatthewT]

it's hard to invest in dialog with you when you just cut and paste and post videos

maybe cowboy up a bit and write out your own beliefs; your refutations of my beliefs; or any ideas, thoughts, or concepts that are preventing you from meeting your Creator

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/09Epy.jpg

[Brokenbad]

it's hard to invest in dialog with you when you just cut and paste and post videos

maybe cowboy up a bit and write out your own beliefs; your refutations of my beliefs; or any ideas, thoughts, or concepts that are preventing you from meeting your Creator

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/08fbcaea92553545478d5e58443038b2/l.jpg

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."
Thomas Jefferson

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/8zOHK.png

When Religious Leaders Lose Their Faith (https://www.npr.org/2012/05/07/152197685/when-religious-leaders-lose-their-faith)

[InstigatinMofo]

it's hard to invest in dialog with you when you just cut and paste and post videos

maybe cowboy up a bit and write out your own beliefs; your refutations of my beliefs; or any ideas, thoughts, or concepts that are preventing you from meeting your Creator

it's hard to invest in dialog with you when you just cut and paste bible verses

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[MatthewT]

it's hard to invest in dialog with you when you just cut and paste bible verses

http://i.imgur.com/xdjEe.gif

this is healthy dialogue. incorrect, but healthy. what i posted above had no cut and paste whatsoever.

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHR0cle_9M&feature=player_embedded

[Bro]

Qualiasoup is some good shit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cQBDGMj2h-c

[MatthewT]

if there is no God, there is no "just" and "unjust"

[Jack Shit]

You're right. Nothing is stopping you from raping and killing as much as you want.

[MatthewT]

You're right. Nothing is stopping you from raping and killing as much as you want.

i rape all and kill all i want now :dontknow:

now that i am a new creature, those are not things i want to do

[Jack Shit]

How much raping and killing did you want to do before, ya sick fuck?

[Brokenbad]

Wow Matt great avitar. I liked that movie alot and you sound like a real life Duvalls charecter.

[MatthewT]

Wow Matt great avitar. I liked that movie alot and you sound like a real life Duvalls charecter.

:toptip:

[MatthewT]

How much raping and killing did you want to do before, ya sick fuck?

well, here's the problem. every time you call a man a fool you murder him. every time you hate a man for no reason, such as the color of his skin, you murder him. every time you wish a man was dead, you murder him.

same goes for rape/adultery; every lustful thought you have towards every unattached female is rape; to married women is adultery.

this is the spiritual side of the law revealed by Jesus; the Law, in its infinite capacity, states that if given the intention, and eternity, you would commit the sin.

to answer your question, probably hundreds

[Jack Shit]

Ah yes. Thought crime. :facepalm:

[MatthewT]

Ah yes. Thought crime. :facepalm:

worse. thought crime being held accountable by an omniscient, holy and righteous God.

are you starting to see why accepting a pardon was the best thing i ever did?

[Jack Shit]

Goo for you.

[InstigatinMofo]

just when I thought these sick fucks couldn't get any more depraved.

Ex Roman Catholic priest was found guilty of hiring a hit man to kill a boy who had accused him of sexual abuse. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/18/ex-priest-guilty-of-conspiring-to-kill-boy-who-accused-him-of-rape/#.T7aGIsQRKls.reddit)

Scumbag preacher arrested for having sex with two minors on his "mission trip" to Haiti. (http://www.wxii12.com/news/local-news/north-carolina/Feds-Gastonia-pastor-had-sex-with-minors-in-Haiti/-/10622650/13475854/-/1i79yxz/-/index.html)

[Bro]

Commit all the crime you want. Just don't get caught by the law. Since there is no heaven or hell you'll be just fine.

[Jack Shit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IFe9wiDfb0E

[Jack Shit]

Is Death Bad for You?

Yet if death is bad for me, when is it bad for me? Not now. I'm not dead now. What about when I'm dead? But then, I won't exist. As the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus wrote: "So death, the most terrifying of ills, is nothing to us, since so long as we exist, death is not with us; but when death comes, then we do not exist. It does not then concern either the living or the dead, since for the former it is not, and the latter are no more." If death has no time at which it's bad for me, then maybe it's not bad for me.

http://chronicle.com/article/article-content/131818/

[Bro]

Die for your god. Die for your country. Die for glory.

[Jack Shit]

Die for your god. Die for your country. Die for glory.


Sure, why not? According to the article, it's not bad.

[MatthewT]

epicurus has not been shown to be right about, well, anything. if you choose to take his word over the truth, you will end up where he is now.

and where he is now, he knows quite clearly that he was indeed wrong.

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3Cy_-LvZTNc

[Bro]

epicurus has not been shown to be right about, well, anything. if you choose to take his word over the truth, you will end up where he is now.

and where he is now, he knows quite clearly that he was indeed wrong.


Where is he now? :jj:

[Jack Shit]

He's in a burnin ring a fiah, bro. :bounce:

[InstigatinMofo]

http://i.imgur.com/EIEUv.jpg

[MatthewT]

Where is he now? :jj:

i would guess that he is in hell's waiting room

[MatthewT]

He's in a burnin ring a fiah, bro. :bounce:

that lunar eclipse was the shit; got the man in black runnin' through my head for days

[Bro]

i would guess that he is in hell's waiting room

Hey! There goes Elvis!
http://www.vampyvarnish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/beetlejuice-2.jpg

[MatthewT]

:jj:

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

What's your agenda with all these posts? You seem to be obsessed with denouncing Christianity. We know your position and your reasoning behind it, so what's the point? Are you hoping to convert someone?
Yeah, I take a dim view on any argument that attacks faith and not the perversion of the faith. The real enemy isn't the faiths themselves, it's the institution of those faiths that are corrupt. Non-denominational people of faith are the only people vilified by both sides.

[MatthewT]

Yeah, I take a dim view on any argument that attacks faith and not the perversion of the faith. The real enemy isn't the faiths themselves, it's the institution of those faiths that are corrupt. Non-denominational people of faith are the only people vilified by both sides.

isn't it important whether or not the object of that faith is right or wrong?

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

isn't it important whether or not the object of that faith is right or wrong?What do you mean by "object?" The mission statement or the entity/set of beliefs to which the followers adhere?

[InstigatinMofo]

Yeah, I take a dim view on any argument that attacks faith and not the perversion of the faith. The real enemy isn't the faiths themselves, it's the institution of those faiths that are corrupt. Non-denominational people of faith are the only people vilified by both sides.

https://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/screen-shot-2012-05-24-at-11-52-20-am.png

[MatthewT]

What do you mean by "object?" The mission statement or the entity/set of beliefs to which the followers adhere?

no, the object of that mission statement or belief.

in other words, if allah is God, and islam is true, then it is good for mohammadans to kill me as an infidel, because that is what allah through the koran says to do

on the other hand, if Jesus is true, and allah false, then it is good for me to tell mohammadans that the only way to be saved is by the grace of God, and that they should abandon allah for Jesus

[Caster Fly]

well, here's the problem. every time you call a man a fool you murder him. every time you hate a man for no reason, such as the color of his skin, you murder him. every time you wish a man was dead, you murder him.

same goes for rape/adultery; every lustful thought you have towards every unattached female is rape; to married women is adultery.

this is the spiritual side of the law revealed by Jesus; the Law, in its infinite capacity, states that if given the intention, and eternity, you would commit the sin.

to answer your question, probably hundreds


What about when you let pride manipulate you into bearing false witness? :coffee:

[MatthewT]

this aint my first rodeo cf :coffee:

[Caster Fly]

this aint my first rodeo cf :coffee:


OK, but it might be the first time you have been put to the test and forced to face your sin of pride and the false witness you bear.

A simple apology will do wonders for your soul I hear. Your ego, not so much. :coffee:

[newcastlefan]

we all have a measure of faith; its effectiveness depends upon what we put that faith into


just like a toilet: you only get out of it, what you put into it.

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzKZb3qHyXk&feature=youtu.be

[InstigatinMofo]

http://www.atheistmemebase.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/249-Till-death-do-you-part.jpg
http://500memes.com/plog-content/images/meme/philosoraptor/if-the-devil-punishes-all-the-evil-people-doesnt-that-make-him-the-good-guy.jpg

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/41d/9e9/fb3/resized/philosoraptor-meme-generator-when-you-die-do-you-become-closer-to-god-because-you-no-longer-exist-9d7a5c.jpg

[InstigatinMofo]

9 Great Freethinkers and Religious Dissenters in History




http://images.alternet.org/images/managed/storyimages_1337888060_shutterstock42840748.jpg_64 0x766_310x220 Photo Credit: Krylova Ksenia / Shutterstock.com




What kind of world would we have if a majority of the human race was atheist?

To hear religious apologists tell it, the triumph of atheism would mean a swift descent into selfishness and chaos. The defenders of the faith argue that atheism inevitably leads to selfishness and nihilism, and that only religion can justify charity or compassion, bind people together in community, or inspire a lively and flourishing culture. But this assertion can only be sustained by ignoring the accomplishments of famous nonreligious people throughout history, of which there have been many.


http://www.alternet.org/belief/155590/9_great_freethinkers_and_religious_dissenters_in_h istory

[InstigatinMofo]

morality without god. yes, it's this simple

http://i.imgur.com/cRawH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hUwbX.jpg

[InstigatinMofo]

Science Defeats Creationism In Oklahoma In Flawless VictoryThree anti-science bills that would have severely set back the education of students in Oklahoma died quietly last week when the legislative session came to an end. Among the bills that were killed includes:
SB 1742, which would have allowed teachers to challenge evolution using the Biblical theory known as creationism.
HB 1551 died previously in early April. That bill amounted to a full-fledged attack on climate change and evolution. Republican state Rep. Steve Russell attempted to amend an unrelated education bill, called HB 2341, to include the anti-science language of HB 1551 but that also failed.


With the end of the legislative session, all of these efforts to force creationism into science classrooms have been defeated meaning science has once again prevailed in another Republican dominated state. Earlier this month, science scored (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/21/creationism/) victories over creationism in Missouri and Alabama.
With these victories, Republican attempts to replace science with religion have been thwarted for the time being. Educators and scientists across the nation have been fighting in defense of science and the education of our kids for months, and now they have big wins in three different states. Science and fact once again reigns supreme.

[FlaFlaFlunkie]

Science Defeats Creationism In Oklahoma In Flawless Victory

Three anti-science bills that would have severely set back the education of students in Oklahoma died quietly last week when the legislative session came to an end. Among the bills that were killed includes:
SB 1742, which would have allowed teachers to challenge evolution using the Biblical theory known as creationism.
HB 1551 died previously in early April. That bill amounted to a full-fledged attack on climate change and evolution. Republican state Rep. Steve Russell attempted to amend an unrelated education bill, called HB 2341, to include the anti-science language of HB 1551 but that also failed.



With the end of the legislative session, all of these efforts to force creationism into science classrooms have been defeated meaning science has once again prevailed in another Republican dominated state. Earlier this month, science scored (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/21/creationism/) victories over creationism in Missouri and Alabama.
With these victories, Republican attempts to replace science with religion have been thwarted for the time being. Educators and scientists across the nation have been fighting in defense of science and the education of our kids for months, and now they have big wins in three different states. Science and fact once again reigns supreme.

We are doing nowhere near enough to reign in violations of the separation of Church & State.

[Lucky Pierre]

http://i.imgur.com/EIEUv.jpg

pretty clever however it is missing the gun-to-your-head component of Christianity.

Something like, "they also told me, if you don't believe in 150mph fastballs, I have to spend the next 800 zillion years in the oven being cooked alive... so in addition to being a kid who believes everything my parents tell me, now I'm scared shitless to think otherwise even though every common sense thing in my head tells me otherwise"

[MatthewT]

if you truly believe in evolution, you should be willing to sacrifice yourself for what's next; because what's next, or what's after that, is more important than you are. in fact, it is so much more important than you are, that you should be willing to die right now just on the chance that it might somehow help the future sentient beings that "evolved" from you.

after all, when was the last time you particularly thought about the amoeba that gave rise to you? and what value would you place on that amoeba's survival, next to your own?

you have a choice; you can believe the truth, or you can believe carefully crafted lies that constantly change over time.

[Caster Fly]

you can believe the truth, or you can believe carefully crafted lies that constantly change over time.


Interesting point Rabbi, now how about embracing the "truth" that you are an easily manipulated dope that changed reality with a carefully crafted lie that had nothing to do with a dead doggie (see sig).

Or you can choose to ignore the lessons of reality in favor of preaching your incorrect assumptions and "belief" that compound your sin of false witness with the sin of pride.

Your soul demands you apologize and correct your sinning ways kiddo. :coffee:

[MatthewT]

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yup, carefully crafted lies; oh, not in my part of your sig, but in hers :coffee:

thank you for reminding me, however, that i have to love people i would otherwise choose not to love :hat:

[Caster Fly]

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yup, carefully crafted lies; oh, not in my part of your sig, but in hers :coffee:

thank you for reminding me, however, that i have to love people i would otherwise choose not to love :hat:



So you and God know different then the person you are "protecting"? :spit:

I kinda figured your pride was more important then your salvation. Odd how a person of faith would take a chance with their eternal soul huh sparky? :coffee:

Or maybe you are just another phony christian wielding "faith" like a weapon.

[Caster Fly]

so by the grace of God i figured out what evil you were committing,


Opppps, that godly grace might just have been butthurt and pride all mixed up in a phony lil prophets head. :coffee:




he has to post the Youtube at least 10 more times, to make his point.

"Mlaw really does have a dog in this fight", get it? The Youtube illustrates that in fact, Kayne is my dog, and I want him to win this fight.

Quite prolific, don't you think?


Face it sparky, you were wrong and you can't back off because you claimed god gave you the info and you need to hang on to your "faith". :spit:

[InstigatinMofo]

because what's next, or what's after that, is more important than you are. in fact, it is so much more important than you are, that you should be willing to die right now

how so? are you asking or are you telling me?

[MatthewT]

So you and God know different then the person you are "protecting"? :spit:

I kinda figured your pride was more important then your salvation. Odd how a person of faith would take a chance with their eternal soul huh sparky? :coffee:

Or maybe you are just another phony christian wielding "faith" like a weapon.

i'm more than happy to dialog with you, but if you just want to be a fly on my dick.... :dontknow:

[Caster Fly]

i'm more than happy to dialog with you, but if you just want to be a fly on my dick.... :dontknow:


Actually, you were the fly on my dick with no truth to your claims, kid. That's the point.

I'm just here to rub your holier then thou face in your idiocy and your fake faith. :coffee:

Now back to the really important point...

A REAL man of faith would never use "gods grace" to bear false witness and allow his pride to put his soul at risk. Are you really that mad? :spit:

[MatthewT]

how so? are you asking or are you telling me?

if you believe in evolution, you believe that you are superior to the life forms you "evolved" from, and that, if you think about it, the life forms that evolve from you are far superior to yourself.

that is, if you think about it.

[MatthewT]

Actually, you were the fly on my dick with no truth to your claims, kid. That's the point.

I'm just here to rub your holier then thou face in your idiocy and your fake faith. :coffee:

Now back to the really important point...

A REAL man of faith would never use "gods grace" to bear false witness and allow his pride to put his soul at risk. Are you really that mad? :spit:

that you think salvation can be lost is kind of sad; it means you have heard about salvation but have decided it's not for you, or that you could not benefit from it.

during this Age, salvation is not fickle; you are doing the exact same thing as asking a butterfly to turn back into a caterpillar.

perhaps you should review the source material where you selected your Mlaw quote to see how it is disingenuous to claim that she indeed had Kanye as a dog in that fight. or not. your choice.

but the kid thing would be solved with a quick trip to my profile; i believe i posted my birthyear is 1966.

and, reluctantly, i must conclude that you merely want to occupy yourself as a fly on my dick. so be it. all things come together for good, to those who love God, and are called according to His purposes.

[Caster Fly]

Blah, blah, blah...

Fake christian bullshit, nothing of substance that addresses the issue and your confused use of "faith" to prop up "gods grace" and your sin of pride.

You suck kid, way worse then I originally thought :spit:

[MatthewT]

so, your perception is not changed by facts....

[MatthewT]

he has to post the Youtube at least 10 more times, to make his point.

"Mlaw really does have a dog in this fight", get it? The Youtube illustrates that in fact, Kayne is my dog, and I want him to win this fight.

Quite prolific, don't you think?

now change trolls to "u mad" and "lulz made you look", mr. carefully crafted lies :coffee:

[Caster Fly]

so, your perception is not changed by facts....


Fact, you claimed gods grace brought you to the conclusion that my use of the word dog was something other then what it is in reality.

You and god were wrong, but don't let that stop your idiocy rabbi. :giggle:

[Caster Fly]

now change trolls to "u mad" and "lulz made you look", mr. carefully crafted lies :coffee:


Salient point, none of this had anything to do with Mlaws dead dog until you and gods grace took it there. :giggle:

A gambling man that was mad might take your leap, but a man of faith worried about his soul, never! :dancin:

[MatthewT]

Fact, you claimed gods grace brought you to the conclusion that my use of the word dog was something other then what it is in reality.

You and god were wrong, but don't let that stop your idiocy rabbi. :giggle:

i claimed that the only way i could love you is through God's grace and love towards me, and i stand by that

[MatthewT]

Salient point, none of this had anything to do with Mlaws dead dog until you and gods grace took it there. :giggle:

A gambling man that was mad might take your leap, but a man of faith worried about his soul, never! :dancin:

Mlaw must have hurt you real deep for you to behave like this; i'll have a word with her and see if a reconciliation is possible :console:

[MatthewT]

Salient point, none of this had anything to do with Mlaws dead dog until you and gods grace took it there. :giggle:

A gambling man that was mad might take your leap, but a man of faith worried about his soul, never! :dancin:

more carefully crafted lies :coffee:

[Caster Fly]

more carefully crafted lies :coffee:


Where is the lie christian? If you had belief in the crap you spew there is no way you would risk your soul on the off chance your confused, evil interpretation of things was correct. :whistle:

[Caster Fly]

Mlaw must have hurt you real deep for you to behave like this; i'll have a word with her and see if a reconciliation is possible :console:


Exactly the confusion I am addressing. No one watching thought she was anything but exposed, except you. :giggle:

BTW...

Your wave of the hand and dismissal of her actually trying to use her dogs death to manipulate Nerd is equally funny and dishonest.

[MatthewT]

Where is the lie christian? If you had belief in the crap you spew there is no way you would risk your soul on the off chance your confused, evil interpretation of things was correct. :whistle:

you continue saying "risk your soul" as though there were some risk to my soul....

and yet, you have not made any pronouncement as to what your faith is in

curious

[MatthewT]

Exactly the confusion I am addressing. No one watching thought she was anything but exposed, except you. :giggle:

BTW...

Your wave of the hand and dismissal of her actually trying to use her dogs death to manipulate Nerd is equally funny and dishonest.



you're right; it was funny

but you missed that because she did something to you irl to cause this amount of /butthurt

you sidled up to her as a friend and then "quietly unfriended" her; would i be reading too much into that to see a pass and a rejection? :whistle:

[Caster Fly]

you continue saying "risk your soul" as though there were some risk to my soul....

and yet, you have not made any pronouncement as to what your faith is in

curious


The risk to your soul is in the dishonest way you wield faith. Like a weapon, or an easily manipulated tool.

You don't seem concerned that your own evil mind dreamed up the dead dog scenario and then credited god with feeding it to your dopey ass. :spit:

[Caster Fly]

you're right; it was funny

but you missed that because she did something to you irl to cause this amount of /butthurt

So in your world handing a cunt her ass and exposing her manipulative ways is MY butthurt? :spit:

Grab a clue kid, you are sooooo butthurt, you threw away the rabbi act and turned to lies and manipulations that endanger your christian soul. I would say that counts as the butthurt trifecta.



you sidled up to her as a friend and then "quietly unfriended" her; would i be reading too much into that to see a pass and a rejection? :whistle:


:secret:

Mlaw sent me a friend request so she could jump in on a dispute with GHP. Once it was clear Mlaw was just being her usual manipulative self in trying to get me to say things to GHP she was afraid to say herself, I bailed. Pretty simple really. :whistle:

[InstigatinMofo]

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[Caster Fly]

:secret: The kid just a mult troll that tried reinventing himself as an evangelist with a head injury. :coffee:

[InstigatinMofo]

:secret: The kid just a mult troll that tried reinventing himself as an evangelist with a head injury. :coffee:

:spit:


Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain)
A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being “born again,” with atrophy in the hippocampus


Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, Neurotheology and Paranormal Experience

The first researcher to note and catalog the abnormal experiences associated with TLE was neurologist Norman Geschwind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Geschwind), who noted a constellation of symptoms, including hypergraphia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia), hyperreligiosity, fainting spells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncope_(medicine)), and pedantism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedantic), often collectively ascribed to a condition known as Geschwind syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschwind_syndrome) .
Vilayanur S. Ramachandran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilayanur_S._Ramachandran) explored the neural basis of the hyperreligiosity seen in TLE using galvanic skin response (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_skin_response) (which correlates with emotional arousal) to determine whether the hyperreligiosity seen in TLE was due to an overall heightened emotional state or was specific to religious stimuli (Ramachandran and Blakeslee, 1998). By presenting subjects with neutral, sexually arousing and religious words while measuring GSR, Ramachandran was able to show that patients with TLE showed enhanced emotional responses to the religious words, diminished responses to the sexually charged words, and normal responses to the neutral words. These results suggest that the medial temporal lobe is specifically involved in generating some of the emotional reactions associated with religious words, images and symbols.

[MatthewT]

still on my dick, i see :coffee:

[MatthewT]

and please accept my apologies for assuming you had been romantically rejected by Mlaw. she barely knew who you were. :hat:

[InstigatinMofo]

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[InstigatinMofo]

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[MatthewT]

God's plan is clearly laid out in the scriptures, and is not dependent on bath salt snorting zombies to eat each other's faces off. that would seem to be self-evident.

[Caster Fly]

and please accept my apologies for assuming you had been romantically rejected by Mlaw. she barely knew who you were. :hat:


Who were you on SFN again mult cunt? No one seems to remember a MatthewT. :whistle:

[MatthewT]

MatthewT :hat:

[Caster Fly]

MatthewT :hat:


From when to when and how come no one remembers you? :coffee:

[MatthewT]

why is this so important to you?

[Caster Fly]

why is this so important to you?


Why did you answer a question with a question, mult? :giggle:

[MatthewT]

ok, then, i'll respond in kind.

this seems important to you :coffee:

[InstigatinMofo]

Four Year-Old Church Singer Performs Ain't No Homos Gonna Make It To Heavenhttp://joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/05/four-year-old-church-singer-performs.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I feel so bad for that kid.

[Caster Fly]

ok, then, i'll respond in kind.

this seems important to you :coffee:


That's not responding in kind dopey, that's running and hiding. I expected no less. :giggle:

[MatthewT]

still seems important to you. MatthewT here, MatthewT on SFN :dontknow:

[InstigatinMofo]

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[Caster Fly]

still seems important to you. MatthewT here, MatthewT on SFN :dontknow:


Still not answering the question (http://www.dawgsaloon.com/showthread.php/15679-The-Arrogance-of-Faith?p=1427471&viewfull=1#post1427471) mult cunt. :munch:

[InstigatinMofo]

Catholic Cardinal Authorized $20K To Pay Off Pedophile Priests, Then Railed Against 'Immorality' Of Gay Marriage (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/05/31/492898/catholic-archbishop-railed-against-immorality-of-gay-marriage-but-authorized-20k-to-pay-off-pedophile-priests/?mobile=nc)

Vatican faces widening scandal after the Pope's butler tries to publish book of conspiracies regarding top Cardinals (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-poisonous-pentecost-for-the-pope/article2444829/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=World&utm_content=2444829)

the priest they had on fox the other night was great. fox: "father, what do you have to say about the Vatican scandal?" priest: "Well, erm I feel that this is something that which will be and for a time has been something for which much has been seen to be an interesting development in which time we should observe that on memorial day many Americans have laid down their lives for freedom and this should be our focus. thank you."

[InstigatinMofo]

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[MatthewT]

not sure why you keep asking me questions, when you don't like my answers :dontknow:

[MatthewT]

but seriously, thank you for helping me increase love, patience, and long-suffering virtues; Lord knows i need it :hat:

[MatthewT]

oh, class of 2006 at sfn, left probably 2009, not really posting to be "known" or "famous", so not sure how to answer the question as to why most of the 2012 posters at Dawg's Howard forum don't know who i am.

as an aside, your insistance that i am a mult is a slap in the face to dawg, monk and spazz, all of whom expend a great deal of time and energy making sure this site is as mult-free as possible.

[Caster Fly]

oh, class of 2006 at sfn, left probably 2009, not really posting to be "known" or "famous", so not sure how to answer the question as to why most of the 2012 posters at Dawg's Howard forum don't know who i am.

as an aside, your insistance that i am a mult is a slap in the face to dawg, monk and spazz, all of whom expend a great deal of time and energy making sure this site is as mult-free as possible.


Yeah, I heard that retarded theory already (as did you). The proxies users are the slap in the face kiddo, not the people that know they are being used. Nothing the Mods and admins can do about cunts on proxies. :coffee:

[MatthewT]

agreed :coffee:

[InstigatinMofo]

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[InstigatinMofo]

Who were you on SFN again mult cunt? No one seems to remember a MatthewT. :whistle:

must be that cunt sallyb

[MatthewT]

mult :facepalm:

sally b? :rofl:

thanks for that; i now no longer think i'm the worst mult-hunter ever :hat:

[InstigatinMofo]

BREAKING NEWS, all across America people in a trancelike state are starting to consume human flesh... (http://i.imgur.com/Kf3q0.jpg)

[InstigatinMofo]

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[InstigatinMofo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums

[InstigatinMofo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iVCxx-GkMg&feature=related

[InstigatinMofo]

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[Mlaw]

mult :facepalm:

sally b? :rofl:

thanks for that; i now no longer think i'm the worst mult-hunter ever :hat:
19,000 invisible posts on SFN I suppose? :jj:

[InstigatinMofo]

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[InstigatinMofo]

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[InstigatinMofo]

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